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Post by MrWood on Feb 5, 2016 0:14:59 GMT -8
Wishing you the best with this Dave, actually enjoyed your show as I was in the area at the start of the year. Thanks, you should have said hello. im in Cali quite a bit so next time I certainly will! |
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Post by fairfax on Feb 5, 2016 3:43:18 GMT -8
For some reason or other....20 years running....east coast....shocking to members of a (mostly) NWA message board....are we to have United Wrestling Network or UWN on FIRE??? Just a guess.
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Post by Crazzysteve on Feb 5, 2016 10:44:03 GMT -8
For those who may be interested, I visited with 12 promotions from up and down the east coast and midwest. About 6 of them are on board and once we have everything in place we'll make an announcement. One promotion might really shock you too. Do you just sign any promotion up? What separates you from the NWA? |
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Post by MKCS on Feb 5, 2016 15:15:04 GMT -8
I think it's obvious what makes them different but Mr. Marquez probably wants to be kind with his comments:
NWA: As Tony has stated the NWA is all about "just take their money". Even if a promotion is not of decent quality and could even tarnish the NWA brand they're allowed to join if they have the joining fee. This is why we saw a glorified backyard promotion join the NWA here in Australia and it's why an NWA promotion was running a show in the parking lot of a bar in front of about 60 people a couple of years back.
UWN: Not an expert but from reading the posts here and the Wikipedia page it seems Marquez wants promotions that not only offer quality but also have a television deal to help build themselves and also the UWN brand. With no joining fee he has no reason to accept a promotion "just because"
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Post by cwfhmarquez on Feb 5, 2016 16:38:48 GMT -8
For those who may be interested, I visited with 12 promotions from up and down the east coast and midwest. About 6 of them are on board and once we have everything in place we'll make an announcement. One promotion might really shock you too. Do you just sign any promotion up? What separates you from the NWA? There's a lot of things that I believe that separates us, mostly the recruitment. I don't allow just anyone in, rather I go after them. I also don't charge any membership fees and I put a heavy emphasis on local television. If the promotion doesn't already have a video product, I offer my services to enter their market and help them produce a show. |
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Post by tonybrooklyn on Feb 5, 2016 18:39:37 GMT -8
I always said that a smaller Alliance with quality was better than just signing up any promotion who could afford the dues. If managed properly, I think the brand has enough logo recognition and historical value to warrant payment of dues. More than once I told him that I'd rather have 6-10 solid promotions....who either had quality events and/or television. We all know how that went.
David's approach with UWN is a good one. It's a new brand....and a brand he seems committed to patiently building. Recruiting quality and selling them on a couple of general concepts makes a ton of sense.
In the Alliance, it was my belief that the world should revolve around the world heavyweight champion. It was one of few expectations I felt that our promotions should adhere to. Even after paying dues and agreeing to booking the champ (or other front office champs), not everyone complied....but were renewed time and time again...provided they were willing to pay dues. "Chris, just take their money."
From an outsiders perspective, it's taking Dave a while to get UWN off the ground, but getting multiple promotions to agree on one or a couple of general concepts is a big achievement. It's better to wait and do it right, than force it.
"We" forced it time and time again, and weren't able to add noticeable value to the alliance's US promotions as a result. "We" ran "our" mouth time and time again about what we were going to do (wanted to do actually)....and never delivered. I don't see David doing that....and while development of the brand is a work in progress....I think he has a goal...and a plan to get there...which he is working. Thats another thing "we" didn't do...probably because one of us didn't really understand the concept of what a business plan is. Fantasy booking isn't a business plan.
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Post by NWA Fanatic on Feb 7, 2016 9:13:17 GMT -8
I always said that a smaller Alliance with quality was better than just signing up any promotion who could afford the dues. If managed properly, I think the brand has enough logo recognition and historical value to warrant payment of dues. More than once I told him that I'd rather have 6-10 solid promotions....who either had quality events and/or television. We all know how that went. David's approach with UWN is a good one. It's a new brand....and a brand he seems committed to patiently building. Recruiting quality and selling them on a couple of general concepts makes a ton of sense. In the Alliance, it was my belief that the world should revolve around the world heavyweight champion. It was one of few expectations I felt that our promotions should adhere to. Even after paying dues and agreeing to booking the champ (or other front office champs), not everyone complied....but were renewed time and time again...provided they were willing to pay dues. "Chris, just take their money." From an outsiders perspective, it's taking Dave a while to get UWN off the ground, but getting multiple promotions to agree on one or a couple of general concepts is a big achievement. It's better to wait and do it right, than force it. "We" forced it time and time again, and weren't able to add noticeable value to the alliance's US promotions as a result. "We" ran "our" mouth time and time again about what we were going to do (wanted to do actually)....and never delivered. I don't see David doing that....and while development of the brand is a work in progress....I think he has a goal...and a plan to get there...which he is working. Thats another thing "we" didn't do...probably because one of us didn't really understand the concept of what a business plan is. Fantasy booking isn't a business plan. Talking about what you want to do is one thing, but delivering is another. Rome wasn't built in a day and it's always good to take baby steps on a project like this. It's never a good thing to just throw everything at the wall and see what sticks. As you said i'm a huge fan of quality over quantity. |
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Post by tonybrooklyn on Feb 10, 2016 18:20:20 GMT -8
I always said that a smaller Alliance with quality was better than just signing up any promotion who could afford the dues. If managed properly, I think the brand has enough logo recognition and historical value to warrant payment of dues. More than once I told him that I'd rather have 6-10 solid promotions....who either had quality events and/or television. We all know how that went. David's approach with UWN is a good one. It's a new brand....and a brand he seems committed to patiently building. Recruiting quality and selling them on a couple of general concepts makes a ton of sense. In the Alliance, it was my belief that the world should revolve around the world heavyweight champion. It was one of few expectations I felt that our promotions should adhere to. Even after paying dues and agreeing to booking the champ (or other front office champs), not everyone complied....but were renewed time and time again...provided they were willing to pay dues. "Chris, just take their money." From an outsiders perspective, it's taking Dave a while to get UWN off the ground, but getting multiple promotions to agree on one or a couple of general concepts is a big achievement. It's better to wait and do it right, than force it. "We" forced it time and time again, and weren't able to add noticeable value to the alliance's US promotions as a result. "We" ran "our" mouth time and time again about what we were going to do (wanted to do actually)....and never delivered. I don't see David doing that....and while development of the brand is a work in progress....I think he has a goal...and a plan to get there...which he is working. Thats another thing "we" didn't do...probably because one of us didn't really understand the concept of what a business plan is. Fantasy booking isn't a business plan. Talking about what you want to do is one thing, but delivering is another. Rome wasn't built in a day and it's always good to take baby steps on a project like this. It's never a good thing to just throw everything at the wall and see what sticks. As you said i'm a huge fan of quality over quantity. As am I. My former "partner" didn't share in the calculated, focused and patient approach that we both originally agreed to. |
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Post by MKCS on Feb 11, 2016 4:45:14 GMT -8
UWN Smoky Mountain.
Would pop.
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Post by Jay Cal on Feb 11, 2016 6:53:32 GMT -8
UWN Smoky Mountain. Would pop. Tony has figured out how to use the NWA name to his benefit. I'm sure there are exit strategies in place, but he's one of the few in the NWA who understands how to use the brand to his advantage. I doubt you'll ever see him leave the NWA, unless there is a falling out between he and Bruce. |
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Post by crazzysteve on Feb 11, 2016 8:33:49 GMT -8
UWN Smoky Mountain. Would pop. Tony has figured out how to use the NWA name to his benefit. I'm sure there are exit strategies in place, but he's one of the few in the NWA who understands how to use the brand to his advantage. I doubt you'll ever see him leave the NWA, unless there is a falling out between he and Bruce. Why would they want anyone from NWA? Who produces good TV? |
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Post by tonybrooklyn on Feb 11, 2016 23:26:45 GMT -8
UWN Smoky Mountain. Would pop. Tony has figured out how to use the NWA name to his benefit. I'm sure there are exit strategies in place, but he's one of the few in the NWA who understands how to use the brand to his advantage. I doubt you'll ever see him leave the NWA, unless there is a falling out between he and Bruce. Based on history, chances are, everyone will eventually have a "falling out". It seems to be a pattern. |
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Post by Heartpunch on Jun 4, 2016 22:35:50 GMT -8
It makes sense to have a few quality promotions that all have local TV. When the time comes to have UWN champions, the matches they have in each promotion will be televised and presumably, tape will be shared to show highlights of in other promotions. Honestly, I would love to see Adam Pierce as a strong, traveling UWN champ...sadly, he is being wasted (as a performer) in WWE, even if being well utilized as a trainer.
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Post by cwfhmarquez on Jun 5, 2016 20:03:01 GMT -8
New participating promotion being announced tomorrow!
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Post by Jay Cal on Jun 6, 2016 10:06:04 GMT -8
announce it already David.
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