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Post by oldschoolcorino on Jan 6, 2019 6:23:50 GMT -8
Judging by the long line for meet and greet and the Huge pop he got at pop up, i would say Arquette is winning over some haters. His ring work, while limited, was also solid. Aside from that, he is also very fan friendly. Along with the mainstream media attention, i believe having him on the show was a smart plan.
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Post by spacemountain on Jan 6, 2019 8:11:24 GMT -8
WCW died when Hulk Hogan came in. David Arquette was no more ridiculous than Brutus Beefcake, The Yeti, Duggan, Honky and all the other WWF clowns Hogan brought with him. Arquette seems like a good guy and is serious about wrestling
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Post by legacy on Jan 6, 2019 11:25:01 GMT -8
WCW died when Hulk Hogan came in. David Arquette was no more ridiculous than Brutus Beefcake, The Yeti, Duggan, Honky and all the other WWF clowns Hogan brought with him. Arquette seems like a good guy and is serious about wrestlingm Just to clarify, WCW was winning the Monday Night Wars ratings with Hogan. WCW died when Bret Hart joined WCW. Please carry on
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Post by spacemountain on Jan 6, 2019 11:54:33 GMT -8
WCW died when Hulk Hogan came in. David Arquette was no more ridiculous than Brutus Beefcake, The Yeti, Duggan, Honky and all the other WWF clowns Hogan brought with him. Arquette seems like a good guy and is serious about wrestlingm Just to clarify, WCW was winning the Monday Night Wars ratings with Hogan. WCW died when Bret Hart joined WCW. Please carry on I was referring to WCW dying as a serious wrestling organisation. WCW (or its previous incarnations) were the place where "we wrestle. While the WWF had clowns like Hulk, Zeus, Ultimate Warrior and the Bushwackers and 8 minute world title main events, WCW was doing technical hour long broadways between Flair and Steamboat, had gritty brawlers like Stan Hansen, Terry Funk and no frill teams like the Andersons. WWF was a children's cartoon, WCW was serious wrestling. When Hogan dropped the leg on Flair, it was like the clowns had won. The serious wrestling was dead. Vader was portrayed as a strong style shooter in Japan and WCW. He broke necks, he broke backs. Then Hogan no-sold his powerbomb and finished his career. So yeah, if you're going to have Hogan as WCW champion, why not have David Arquette. They are both actors who couldn't do an hour broadway.
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Post by Fred Richards on Jan 6, 2019 12:44:28 GMT -8
If the the customers will pay to see him - - that's all that matters.
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Post by legacy on Jan 6, 2019 14:43:21 GMT -8
If the the customers will pay to see him - - that's all that matters.j That attitude right there coined the phrase "Sports Entertainment" We could berate whether they are the same thing, but clearly I have no interest in doing that so I'll just say this. NWA stood for the National Wrestling Alliance. WWE stands for World Wrestling Entertainment. One is a soap opera, the other is actual wrestling entertainment. I'll let you figure out which one is which, and your right, the consumer will decide which they want to buy.
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Post by JADEN on Jan 6, 2019 16:03:38 GMT -8
If the the customers will pay to see him - - that's all that matters. Not true.. People pay to watch dog fighting & for woman to defecate on a glass table while they watch underneath.. Just because some one will pay for it does not mean it should happen... #BoogieWoogie
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Post by Fred Richards on Jan 6, 2019 17:17:38 GMT -8
If the the customers will pay to see him - - that's all that matters. Not true.. People pay to watch dog fighting & for woman to defecate on a glass table while they watch underneath.. Just because some one will pay for it does not mean it should happen... #BoogieWoogie kind of depends on your goal, Jaden. If your goal is to run in the black and not the red, box office is what counts. The examples you cite are kind of "out there." No different from the now-infamous WWE tampon atrocity. This is most different and tame. Being a purist is noble and has my respect. However, the realities are the realities so long as they are in-taste with what was advertised.
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Post by legacy on Jan 6, 2019 18:24:40 GMT -8
If the the customers will pay to see him - - that's all that matters. Not true.. People pay to watch dog fighting & for woman to defecate on a glass table while they watch underneath.. Just because some one will pay for it does not mean it should happen... #BoogieWoogie When are the tickets for that going on sale.... Just kidding
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Post by legacy on Jan 6, 2019 18:28:11 GMT -8
Not true.. People pay to watch dog fighting & for woman to defecate on a glass table while they watch underneath.. Just because some one will pay for it does not mean it should happen... #BoogieWoogie kind of depends on your goal, Jaden. If your goal is to run in the black and not the red, box office is what counts. The examples you cite are kind of "out there." No different from the now-infamous WWE tampon atrocity. This is most different and tame. Being a purist is noble and has my respect. However, the realities are the realities so long as they are in-taste with what was advertised. She is not signed with the WWE. She did compete in their Mae Young Classic though.She was performing for Suburban Fight Pro Wrestling. I believe we should keep these facts striaght.
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Post by JADEN on Jan 7, 2019 10:45:09 GMT -8
Not true.. People pay to watch dog fighting & for woman to defecate on a glass table while they watch underneath.. Just because some one will pay for it does not mean it should happen... #BoogieWoogie kind of depends on your goal, Jaden. If your goal is to run in the black and not the red, box office is what counts. The examples you cite are kind of "out there." No different from the now-infamous WWE tampon atrocity. This is most different and tame. Being a purist is noble and has my respect. However, the realities are the realities so long as they are in-taste with what was advertised. Then by that logic it is ok to sell minors as sex slaves & to eat dogs & cats because there is profit to be made in it?.. Just because you can make money at it does not mean you should... I can make a fortune selling cocaine in my town... I don't because I am not a worthless douchbag who puts make money for my self over what is right for the people in the town I live...
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Post by Fred Richards on Jan 7, 2019 11:11:35 GMT -8
kind of depends on your goal, Jaden. If your goal is to run in the black and not the red, box office is what counts. The examples you cite are kind of "out there." No different from the now-infamous WWE tampon atrocity. This is most different and tame. Being a purist is noble and has my respect. However, the realities are the realities so long as they are in-taste with what was advertised. Then by that logic it is ok to sell minors as sex slaves & to eat dogs & cats because there is profit to be made in it?.. Just because you can make money at it does not mean you should... I can make a fortune selling cocaine in my town... I don't because I am not a worthless douchbag who puts make money for my self over what is right for the people in the town I live... I think this has gone far out of perspective. We began by talking about a worker who many people do not deem legitimate. The analogies you proffer are far beyond that perimeter, Jaden. You and I both have an ethic that each of us has gotten to know well over the years. "Box office," as I used it in this thread, has to do with a wrestling show - - nothing more. In the "good old days" of the NWA, many cards had the usual format of males, females midgets and the occasional novelty like Ted The Wrestling Bear. Many thought putting midgets on the card and having them do spots emphasizing what was regard as the end-effect of a birth defect played poorly in certain parts of the country. Many states banned women's wrestling - New York being one of them for several decades (they also prohibited workers who wore a hood). No one challenged your integrity, did I/they? You run a clean show; a show parents can take children to. And that is the reason I wanted you in the NWA - - because we share the same value system. We have a "soft" disagreement on Arquette, nothing more. Hope to see you soon.
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Post by oldschoolcorino on Jan 7, 2019 12:06:32 GMT -8
One of the best known moments in Tennesse Wrestling history is Lawler piledriving Andy Kaufman, an actor turned wrestler. No angle could have been hotter and it received alot of media including the famous Letterman Show incident. Hell, Lawler is probably still making money from that angle. Looking back from a historic perspective, it was good for business and good for wrestling. True, many pure wrestling fans may be turned off by "gimmicks" of the sort but i doubt many would deprive themselves of an otherwise enjoyable evening of wrestling by not buying a ticket and you can draw in and create new fans who are attracted by the novelty by putting on a solid and entertaining show to showcase to potential new fans. As a fan who buys tickets and has no business dealings behind the scenes, i can say having Arquette on the show added to the already entertaining show and did nothing to deminish judging by the live crowd reaction.
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Post by JADEN on Jan 7, 2019 12:27:45 GMT -8
My argument here is base purely on the strict definition of your statement, Stripped down to the meaning of the words you are saying that if it is Willing be be bought then it has the right to be sold.. I am sure that is not the intend of what you are saying but using that basis I an not in any way ethically agree with that..
DAWG had an event last month.. over 100 orphans from CHOP were scheduled to attend.. The did not attend because of confusion over another event running with in close proximity that had ultra-violence & elements not deemed appropriate for said orphans to attend.. That events sold well but the consequences is over 100 sick kids could not attend what could very well be the last wrestling event because of the product they put on...
Imagine if some one does what is right for the "Box office" of their promotion but that keeps a building or a sponsor from helping a cancer benefit for a young child because to that sponsor "all wrestling is the same"..
Actions have consequences
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Post by dkm on Jan 7, 2019 13:15:57 GMT -8
I'm not Arquette fan. As I've said before, I don't have anything against the guy on a personal level and if he is going to be involved in wrestling, I guess the NWA used him as well as possible.
I understand Jaden's point and the question I really have is was the event successful because or Arquette or would they have drawn the same without him?
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