legacy
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Post by legacy on Feb 23, 2019 15:18:09 GMT -8
You are the one with your head in the clouds, You are the one who believes that wrestling could ever be as popular as it once was. The reality is that with all the MMA outlets, wrestling is now the ugly step sister to the UFC and Bellator. Then you must take into account the state of the NWA when Corgan purchased it. Again it was operating in the red and not turning a profit. There are so many wrestling options now compared to the hay day you invision to still be possible. Back when my grandfather was in his prime, sure there was tv coverage in small areas but no national shows. You followed News Letters and hoped the top talent would make a stop in your territory. So if you think Corgan is going to sign talent to exclusive deals to do something like that, that's not fesable. The old NWA territories as they were, paid the NWA to use the name and the chance to book the big champions for weeks at a time to draw an auidence. Even if that were possible, which it's not, the reality is WWE and WCW put a lot of people out of business and there just aren't enough independent promotions that could even afford to pay for the name. It wouldn't be good to their bottom line which now a days means more than ever. Let's face it, unless you have some financial backer who is willing to loose several million a year for the first 3 to 4 years and gamble that in hopes that a MAJOR tv network picks them up, the NWA haydays are dead. Now if your saying pick one area to run their shows and have talent booked similar to RHO or even ECW, it could be done but you know RHO doesn't even have exclusive deals. Their deals allow them to wrestle just about anywhere so long as it isn't TNA or WWE. So you wouldn't have exclusive deals like your hoping for, which would would always keep any tv network to committing to you due to instability in the company. Your expectation of what NWA could be is unrealistic, and sure some of us are happy to just see some champions wrestling matches but I would rather believe in something small and hope for something better than to not appreciate anything and run it into the mud every chance I get. I'll say it again, you think you know and could do better, prove it. Toss some money in the pot and have some direction and control in the NWA's future. Then let me know how easy it would be. AEW exists not because of the money. It exists because some of the Indy's finest wrestlers got together and decided to start their own company and convinced a billionaire who knows nothing about wrestling to open his wallet. Talk about a toy. Corgan bought a name because he is passionate about wrestling, he never said "we're coming after you WWE" or even "It will be just like the good old days" I believe his whole idea was to try to change the culture. So far, we have a world champion who is defending the title around the world, A women's champion who is believable and respected, and a National Champion who has recognition throughout the industry. What is there to complain about. I don't often give out advice but for you I'll make an exception, If you don't like swimming, stop coming to the pool! Thanks Legacy, I needed a laugh. "Legacy"? It is obvious you know little about the true legacy of the NWA brand. Tell your audience, how much money have YOU ever put at-risk promoting or otherwise backing an NWA card? Please do tell us. Do you know if I promoted? Do you know if I ever had a major financial stake in this brand? Your knee jerk, angry reactionary comments answer that you don't have a clue. Accolades of any sort to what Corgan has done (or failed to do) since taking ownership are absurd. Tell me, when is the next NWA card - not a piggyback, a 100% NWA show? When will they unveil a website? You miss the point by a country mile. Simply turning your back as independent contractors get themselves booked on another brand's show is not promoting. No ongoing angles. No heat. Nothing except a spot appearance by guys and/or gals who are earning a payday. Hell, they can't even leave advertising flyers on seats for the NWA - - because the NWA doesn't work the country with shows on any businesslike basis. I love swimming. And I don't sink to the bottom like you have on this thread. And if you do swim - - don't Swim With Piranhas. You obviously don't know who I am, or if I have or do invest money into wrestling promotions. The answer is yes I have, and I don't have to tell everyone in the world to toot my own horn. Your disdain for the NWA is clear but you take shots at Wrestlers for making paydays....thats What wrestlers do. I have yet to meet a wrestler who will work for free when the show is sold out, so please stop insulting the intelligence of this board. You may be right that the NWA isn't putting on shows but they also don't have wrestlers signed to contracts so how they could run their own show.....makes no sense and again, if you have run a promotion, the bottom line matters so why blow that putting on a show and getting the talent you might want when someone else can book a show and your champion can wrestle on. It's smart business. I didn't miss any of your points when you actually make them; rather than insult people. You want respect and expect change that isn't going to happen soon. With that knowledge maybe instead of dreaming of what could be, you can appreciate what you have. That's not just a theory for the NWA but in life. I don't sink, and I swim with Sharks bigger and better than you or whoever you think you were. Kudos on your self proclaimed success, that's what you want right. You know better than all of us. So do us all a favor, break down the money to your plan, how much it would cost, you convince someone it's a good idea and I'll invest half of it for you since I'm sure your short on cash. If your not interested do us this favor: When your opinion is given, which your free to give, try not to shit on the wrestlers, and try not to insult the members on this board with your attitude, resientment, and sarcasm. No one has your hate coming and we are fans and should be able to share opinions and and information without negativity and hate being spewed at every opportunity. The title of this thread is Mack defending the National Title on ROH, how we got here is through negitivity, you have to see that
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Post by Fred Richards on Feb 24, 2019 4:01:19 GMT -8
Thanks Legacy, I needed a laugh. "Legacy"? It is obvious you know little about the true legacy of the NWA brand. Tell your audience, how much money have YOU ever put at-risk promoting or otherwise backing an NWA card? Please do tell us. Do you know if I promoted? Do you know if I ever had a major financial stake in this brand? Your knee jerk, angry reactionary comments answer that you don't have a clue. Accolades of any sort to what Corgan has done (or failed to do) since taking ownership are absurd. Tell me, when is the next NWA card - not a piggyback, a 100% NWA show? When will they unveil a website? You miss the point by a country mile. Simply turning your back as independent contractors get themselves booked on another brand's show is not promoting. No ongoing angles. No heat. Nothing except a spot appearance by guys and/or gals who are earning a payday. Hell, they can't even leave advertising flyers on seats for the NWA - - because the NWA doesn't work the country with shows on any businesslike basis. I love swimming. And I don't sink to the bottom like you have on this thread. And if you do swim - - don't Swim With Piranhas. You obviously don't know who I am, or if I have or do invest money into wrestling promotions. The answer is yes I have, and I don't have to tell everyone in the world to toot my own horn. Your disdain for the NWA is clear but you take shots at Wrestlers for making paydays....thats What wrestlers do. I have yet to meet a wrestler who will work for free when the show is sold out, so please stop insulting the intelligence of this board. You may be right that the NWA isn't putting on shows but they also don't have wrestlers signed to contracts so how they could run their own show.....makes no sense and again, if you have run a promotion, the bottom line matters so why blow that putting on a show and getting the talent you might want when someone else can book a show and your champion can wrestle on. It's smart business. I didn't miss any of your points when you actually make them; rather than insult people. You want respect and expect change that isn't going to happen soon. With that knowledge maybe instead of dreaming of what could be, you can appreciate what you have. That's not just a theory for the NWA but in life. I don't sink, and I swim with Sharks bigger and better than you or whoever you think you were. Kudos on your self proclaimed success, that's what you want right. You know better than all of us. So do us all a favor, break down the money to your plan, how much it would cost, you convince someone it's a good idea and I'll invest half of it for you since I'm sure your short on cash. If your not interested do us this favor: When your opinion is given, which your free to give, try not to shit on the wrestlers, and try not to insult the members on this board with your attitude, resientment, and sarcasm. No one has your hate coming and we are fans and should be able to share opinions and and information without negativity and hate being spewed at every opportunity. The title of this thread is Mack defending the National Title on ROH, how we got here is through negitivity, you have to see that I will ignore your silliness and sarcasm. It's simply the rantings of a person with little significance. I don't insult people on this Board. Most of it is self-inflicted. And I don't have all the answers- neither do you. Your conclusion that I insult the wrestlers is just plain stupid. Show me where? You can't because your statement is not rooted in truth. That I or anyone states wrestlers take paydays wherever they are offered (with rare exceptions) is accurate. Unless it's WWE, etc., anyone with more than five minutes of experience seasoned with a pinch of maturity can see pro wrestling for what it is - - and that does not mean promoters are crooks (well, a few are). It is just pure reality that most wrestling promotions are fly-by-night, gypsy endeavors. Few, if any wrestling companies provide their "owners" with a livelihood. Does any of that mean a wrestler, etc., cannot enjoy what it is - certainly not. I just shake my head in disbelief when people forget the essence of this business always has been slight-of-hand. The real angles don't just happen in front of a crowd. Most take place in the so-called "office." "Hate"? You don't know the meaning of the word; proven by the absurd melodramatic way you use it in yet another failed attempt to put yourself over. "Do us a favor"? Who anointed you spokesperson for "us"? I restate that my opinions are my own and I will post them whenever I choose. I know who I am and, unlike many, don't live a gimmick. Do you? You're correct on one thing. I don't know who you are and could truly care less. What I do know is that you have proven yourself incapable of engaging in civilized discussion or debate. Here's one business lesson (no charge). A "brand" is built on uniqueness. If you like a Big Mac (not Rodney) you have to go to McDonald's. If McDonald's allows it products to be sold at any corner store why would anyone short of a mad hatter buy one of their franchises? It's called exclusivity. The nucleus of promoting wrestling - when companies made money (outside WWE, ROH, etc.) was to build talent. Real promoters didn't build talent because they were philanthropists. They did it to attract paying customers when they used that talent strategically. Then, they made 100% certain that the talent could only be seen on their proprietary shows - - that's why many gimmicks are copyrighted and the talent cannot use them if they leave the company that owns them. You set up angles - grew them and blew them off when attendance told you they were no longer drawing enough patrons to keep your company in the black. All-the-while protecting your investment by making certain no one else could benefit from it. The Corgan strategy (thus far) does not speak to that reality. He has the money (or so it would seem). Online videos and watching your standard bearers on other companies' shows - - what do they do for revenue? Nothing. NJPW - Madison Square Garden after that hallowed hall had an almost 60-year exclusivity agreement with The McMahons of two generations? Very interesting - MSG only seats about 22,000 when configured for wrestling. Has to be a business reason the WWE let it go. These are core business principles. If you see different, then speak up with facts and can the rhetoric. If you want a different thread - start one. Just manifest enough maturity to stick to issues and not make sophomoric jibes and conclusions. They don't speak well of you. I'll close my final response to this thread with a reprise of something on of my closest friends in this industry said before he stopped posting on this Board. He used the term "Fanboy." I never really knew what that meant - - until now.
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legacy
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Post by legacy on Feb 24, 2019 8:20:22 GMT -8
You obviously don't know who I am, or if I have or do invest money into wrestling promotions. The answer is yes I have, and I don't have to tell everyone in the world to toot my own horn. Your disdain for the NWA is clear but you take shots at Wrestlers for making paydays....thats What wrestlers do. I have yet to meet a wrestler who will work for free when the show is sold out, so please stop insulting the intelligence of this board. You may be right that the NWA isn't putting on shows but they also don't have wrestlers signed to contracts so how they could run their own show.....makes no sense and again, if you have run a promotion, the bottom line matters so why blow that putting on a show and getting the talent you might want when someone else can book a show and your champion can wrestle on. It's smart business. I didn't miss any of your points when you actually make them; rather than insult people. You want respect and expect change that isn't going to happen soon. With that knowledge maybe instead of dreaming of what could be, you can appreciate what you have. That's not just a theory for the NWA but in life. I don't sink, and I swim with Sharks bigger and better than you or whoever you think you were. Kudos on your self proclaimed success, that's what you want right. You know better than all of us. So do us all a favor, break down the money to your plan, how much it would cost, you convince someone it's a good idea and I'll invest half of it for you since I'm sure your short on cash. If your not interested do us this favor: When your opinion is given, which your free to give, try not to shit on the wrestlers, and try not to insult the members on this board with your attitude, resientment, and sarcasm. No one has your hate coming and we are fans and should be able to share opinions and and information without negativity and hate being spewed at every opportunity. The title of this thread is Mack defending the National Title on ROH, how we got here is through negitivity, you have to see that I will ignore your silliness and sarcasm. It's simply the rantings of a person with little significance. I don't insult people on this Board. Most of it is self-inflicted. And I don't have all the answers- neither do you. Your conclusion that I insult the wrestlers is just plain stupid. Show me where? You can't because your statement is not rooted in truth. That I or anyone states wrestlers take paydays wherever they are offered (with rare exceptions) is accurate. Unless it's WWE, etc., anyone with more than five minutes of experience seasoned with a pinch of maturity can see pro wrestling for what it is - - and that does not mean promoters are crooks (well, a few are). It is just pure reality that most wrestling promotions are fly-by-night, gypsy endeavors. Few, if any wrestling companies provide their "owners" with a livelihood. Does any of that mean a wrestler, etc., cannot enjoy what it is - certainly not. I just shake my head in disbelief when people forget the essence of this business always has been slight-of-hand. The real angles don't just happen in front of a crowd. Most take place in the so-called "office." "Hate"? You don't know the meaning of the word; proven by the absurd melodramatic way you use it in yet another failed attempt to put yourself over. "Do us a favor"? Who anointed you spokesperson for "us"? I restate that my opinions are my own and I will post them whenever I choose. I know who I am and, unlike many, don't live a gimmick. Do you? You're correct on one thing. I don't know who you are and could truly care less. What I do know is that you have proven yourself incapable of engaging in civilized discussion or debate. Here's one business lesson (no charge). A "brand" is built on uniqueness. If you like a Big Mac (not Rodney) you have to go to McDonald's. If McDonald's allows it products to be sold at any corner store why would anyone short of a mad hatter buy one of their franchises? It's called exclusivity. The nucleus of promoting wrestling - when companies made money (outside WWE, ROH, etc.) was to build talent. Real promoters didn't build talent because they were philanthropists. They did it to attract paying customers when they used that talent strategically. Then, they made 100% certain that the talent could only be seen on their proprietary shows - - that's why many gimmicks are copyrighted and the talent cannot use them if they leave the company that owns them. You set up angles - grew them and blew them off when attendance told you they were no longer drawing enough patrons to keep your company in the black. All-the-while protecting your investment by making certain no one else could benefit from it. The Corgan strategy (thus far) does not speak to that reality. He has the money (or so it would seem). Online videos and watching your standard bearers on other companies' shows - - what do they do for revenue? Nothing. NJPW - Madison Square Garden after that hallowed hall had an almost 60-year exclusivity agreement with The McMahons of two generations? Very interesting - MSG only seats about 22,000 when configured for wrestling. Has to be a business reason the WWE let it go. These are core business principles. If you see different, then speak up with facts and can the rhetoric. If you want a different thread - start one. Just manifest enough maturity to stick to issues and not make sophomoric jibes and conclusions. They don't speak well of you. I'll close my final response to this thread with a reprise of something on of my closest friends in this industry said before he stopped posting on this Board. He used the term "Fanboy." I never really knew what that meant - - until now. At your elderly age you act such the child. Being who you claim you are and touting your self proclaimed knowledge, you should know that a brand isn't developing talent. In this business you either have it or you don't, it is about maximizing potential and from the promoters point of view, that usually meant pushing a handful of guys at the expense of the rest. I'm happy you can follow a statement that you don't insult people with an Insult towards me. You take shots at Wrestlers makuung paydays as though there is something wrong with that. You criticize every juncture of the business and yet when you were COO you helped run the NWA into the ground which is how we got to the point we are at. Your final shots are cute so I will leave you with mine. Grow up. Age does not equal maturity, experience doesn't equal knowledge, and humility and understanding are free, try it sometime. Done with this board if this relic is allowed to run off his leash anytime he feels like it.
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Post by dkm on Feb 24, 2019 9:01:31 GMT -8
Done
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Post by Jay Cal on Feb 25, 2019 7:05:24 GMT -8
So why do you care about the NWA then and why criticize it when it is clearly shown that you are a hopeful and wishful employee wannabee of AEW. If you don't like the NWA then you don't belong here. I'm here because I choose to be here. Understand? "Clearly shown..." God help the defendant if you are ever seated on a jury! Stating one's opinion is just that - an opinion. And if someone disagrees with what they read, those with enough maturity to change their underwear daily and flush the toilet after defecating can rebut or discuss with facts - not resort to cheap, infantile vilification and conclusions. Get something straight, youngster - I go where I feel like going. I don't need your blessing or permission. And if you don't like it, I could care less. And - - for the record - - I liked the NWA when it was the NWA. So you keep holding your water waiting for the ghost of Sam Muchnik, Fred Kohler or Willie Gilzenberg - - some of the people who built the NWA and had a cohesive vision and successful business strategy. What remains today is a farce. Something that shills and marks buy into because they can't see or deal with the truth. The real NWA was a promotion that controlled its business with an iron hand. They understood exclusivity and control of their employees. And that is why they grew and prospered until the chronic infighting blew it all to hell. What followed was a charade, a farce, a masquerade where people lost ten dollars for every quarter they made. They were stuck in the past and lacked either the brains or the balls to free themselves. You want to live it vicariously through YouTube and piggybacking on other company's shows? - - fine, that's your choice. Corgan allegedly purchased the brand and it's his playtoy to do with as he pleases. But to validate what he is or is not doing as a "rebirth of the NWA" is intellectually preposterous and a sad commentary on those who do so. AEW, ROH and a few others that actually make money and not engage in online camouflage telling everyone about their 400th or 500th show but, at the same time, live a lifestyle that does not speak to reasonable prosperity depend on "marks" to drink their kool-aid - - and there is one born every minute. Rodney and others have zero loyalty to a once-great brand, kid. Every booking is a payday and nothing more - - wake up and see the light. Get out of fantasyland and see life for what it is. And if the NWA belt gets Rodney or others bookings - they will wear it. Hell, they would wear the championship of the Mickey Mouse Club if it earned them money. I think you meant Willie. Would you like me to go back and change this, so instead of saying Rodney [Mack] (Jazz's Husband) it says Willie (the current NWA National Champion)?
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