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Post by Fred Richards on Oct 28, 2021 13:02:01 GMT -8
Such is the "spin" by ROH as they release everyone from their contracts. Not a wine-and-roses forecast for the business. Take a looksee: www.pwbts.com/messages/67034.htmI don't think anyone can credibly deny that there is a bottomless pit of wrestling available on television and online. Peacock Network, Fox, et al. Of course, you don't need to be a Yale graduate to figure out that when many of the WWE/AEW competitors "pause operations" (aka go out of business) the freebies will come to a screeching halt. What sayeth the Pumpkin Smasher? What, if anything, will the NWA be doing as winter fast-approaches??? Does the legendary David Marquez have insight???
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Post by ZEKE on Oct 31, 2021 15:09:11 GMT -8
I can’t imagine they will come back without some sort of co-promotion type arrangement. Maybe we’ll see an NWA Ring of Honor show and have double champions by unifying the titles…
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Post by Fred Richards on Oct 31, 2021 16:58:14 GMT -8
ROH is owed by Sinclair Broadcasting. During my tenure on the NWA Board of Directors, Sinclair expressed strong interest in picking up exclusive television rights to NWA cards.
That potential bonanza was scuttled by an individual whose name I will not again type.
If anybody should pick up the ROH wreckage, it is Tony Khan of AEW.
Tragic-but-true is that the NWA (under several owners) missed the boat numerous times:
1. That same "person" sabotaged the near done-deal with ZERO1 and interest expressed by NJPW.
2. The TNA deal went to hell because of the clear stupidity of two people.
The NWA under its current ownership is but a championship belt and a logo. The Pumpkin Smasher has enjoyed exclusive ownership - - what the hell has he done with it?
Billy Corgan has noteworthy "celebrity" attached to his name - has he used it to resurrect the NWA???
Hell no.
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Post by ZEKE on Oct 31, 2021 18:35:54 GMT -8
Well you are definitely spot on with Tony Khan. If it’s going to be sold, he is the only one who should make a serious bid for it. The TV slots are worth the investment even if he doesn’t keep ROH going like a NXT type show…. McMahon only wants the scraps left over, IE the tape library…
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Post by Fred Richards on Nov 2, 2021 10:37:41 GMT -8
Zeke raises a salient point. It will be interesting to see which way WWE goes once Vince and Linda are out of the picture entirely.
Tony Khan "gets it." The genre he promotes keeps professional wrestling - - professional wrestling. To date, Khan has not morphed his product into a suggestive, "T&A" orgy. It still resembles what attracted loyal pro wrestling aficionados over the many decades.
Audiences are fickle. What sells today might lay an egg tomorrow. When the original ECW was active, I had a locker room talk with "the pawnbroker." My concern was that he and Paul were taking the "extreme" too far.
Case-in-point: Once crowds got bored seeing New Jack leap off balconies, what do you do to take it to the next level? Do you cut off a finger? A toe? Etcetera.
UFC sells unvarnished brutality. It is the closet mainstream product that is akin to ancient Roman Gladiators. Candidly, it turns my stomach.
I know it is 2021. However, the wisdom of the old school NWA promoters cannot be denied. They knew how far to go. And they knew how to protect the business, so it would be everlasting.
Corgan is not serious about resurrecting the brand. Let's go brass knuckles and tell it based on the clear evidence that has accrued since he "purchased" exclusive rights.
Albeit Dave Lagana or Marquez or even Bill Behrens. Had The Pumpkin Smasher unleashed these guys (at least Lagana and Behrens), he might have something tangible. AWA, WCW and lots more are gone forever.
In many ways, so is the NWA.
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Post by shawn on Nov 2, 2021 16:34:54 GMT -8
Doesn't Behrens currently work for the NWA? His name is all over the credits.
Khan is vulnerable,he can't stay quiet and be behind the scenes. He out here posting challenges and demo numbers.He will sign anyone wwe releases. He got guys wrestling in Ghostbusters costumes,costumes,. At any time, his daddy can turn off the faucet if they keep bleeding money. They haven't made a profit yet. And you can tell they not really making money because they are not running house shows. How long can they really sustain?
Getting back to ROH, they should go out of business. Sinclair should offer those timeslots to Khan or whoever willing to pay for jt. I know WOW announced they will be on Sinclair stations starting in the fall of 2022. They should sell the library to Vince and Peacock. I trust WWE with that type of stuff.
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Post by Fred Richards on Nov 3, 2021 10:31:18 GMT -8
Shawn,
When Ted Turner bought-out Crockett, I doubt if he thought he had just purchased the goose that laid the golden egg.
In fact, Turner urgently need a tax write-off. This is a common practice amongst the rich folks. I'm guessing Khan and his family are doing the same thing.
When TNA was born, it was initially available only via a weekly PPV for a measly $10.00; the PPV aired on weekdays, remember? The Jarretts adopted that business model to create public interest, with every intention of taking the product to an arena near you (and me).
TNA talent began to get booked on local shows with the area promoter paying all costs. My friend, the late Billy Firehawk of NWA Cyberspace fame, routinely brought Jeff Jarrett, Jeremy Borash and other TNA workers to New Jersey. New Jersey never played host for a TNA house show. Neither did the majority of states.
So far as Bill Behrens being an NWA "employee," what does an "employee" do when the employer is not steadily doing business? My respect for Bill aside for the moment, I don't think the good man travels when a so-labeled NWA standard-bearer is booked on a local car. Where would the money come from?
I will wrap this up by again stating that I would love to see the NWA again become viable and noteworthy. But, patient soul I am, my patience is damned-near exhausted.
Billy Corgan has shown NOTHING that indicates he wants the NWA to be a driving force. The impression I get is that the NWA (under Corgan) is a tax write-off and nothing more.
Who can prove me wrong?
The Pumpkin Smasher via actions, not words.
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Post by The Laughing Man on Dec 15, 2021 9:07:24 GMT -8
ROH since the pandemic has been hurting, the empty arena shows went longer than anyone else. When we had a live show I was overjoyed that they are back to having an audience, but then went back to empty arena. Im sure not having fans and ticket sales hurt ALOT. MLW was doing it for a short period, took a break and are back to live shows. I do not see why ROH could not do the same, but cutting ties with everyone!? It will be almost a complete reboot, unless there is some handshake deals for down the road (Which is why you saw who picked up the belts at final battle). ROH has always been one show that I had to watch weekly, then it started to get to be a highlight reel pointing to the HonorClub (for a youtube show I could see that, but do not do that on your syndicated weekly show. Then we moved into the filler while we wait to see what COVID is going to do and then we had what we all saw was the empty arena shows.
We are lacking the shows with pure wrestling, thankfully NWA has been filling in that gap. With losing what NXT and how bad RAW and Smackdown have been for awhile we need better alternatives.
Sorry I have been gone awhile, a lot going on in our household lately (more on that in a week)
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Post by Fred Richards on Dec 15, 2021 12:22:16 GMT -8
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Post by The Laughing Man on Dec 24, 2021 6:34:48 GMT -8
ROH since the pandemic has been hurting, the empty arena shows went longer than anyone else. When we had a live show I was overjoyed that they are back to having an audience, but then went back to empty arena. Im sure not having fans and ticket sales hurt ALOT. MLW was doing it for a short period, took a break and are back to live shows. I do not see why ROH could not do the same, but cutting ties with everyone!? It will be almost a complete reboot, unless there is some handshake deals for down the road (Which is why you saw who picked up the belts at final battle). ROH has always been one show that I had to watch weekly, then it started to get to be a highlight reel pointing to the HonorClub (for a youtube show I could see that, but do not do that on your syndicated weekly show. Then we moved into the filler while we wait to see what COVID is going to do and then we had what we all saw was the empty arena shows. We are lacking the shows with pure wrestling, thankfully NWA has been filling in that gap. With losing what NXT and how bad RAW and Smackdown have been for awhile we need better alternatives. Sorry I have been gone awhile, a lot going on in our household lately (more on that in a week) Not to hijack the thread, but this was the only place I posted it. Been a busy few months around here, we are having a baby! Now that all the major concerns are past we can finally say that
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Post by Fred Richards on Dec 24, 2021 15:44:31 GMT -8
ROH since the pandemic has been hurting, the empty arena shows went longer than anyone else. When we had a live show I was overjoyed that they are back to having an audience, but then went back to empty arena. Im sure not having fans and ticket sales hurt ALOT. MLW was doing it for a short period, took a break and are back to live shows. I do not see why ROH could not do the same, but cutting ties with everyone!? It will be almost a complete reboot, unless there is some handshake deals for down the road (Which is why you saw who picked up the belts at final battle). ROH has always been one show that I had to watch weekly, then it started to get to be a highlight reel pointing to the HonorClub (for a youtube show I could see that, but do not do that on your syndicated weekly show. Then we moved into the filler while we wait to see what COVID is going to do and then we had what we all saw was the empty arena shows. We are lacking the shows with pure wrestling, thankfully NWA has been filling in that gap. With losing what NXT and how bad RAW and Smackdown have been for awhile we need better alternatives. Sorry I have been gone awhile, a lot going on in our household lately (more on that in a week) Not to hijack the thread, but this was the only place I posted it. Been a busy few months around here, we are having a baby! Now that all the major concerns are past we can finally say that Congratulations!!!
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Post by Jay Cal on Dec 31, 2021 12:03:11 GMT -8
ROH since the pandemic has been hurting, the empty arena shows went longer than anyone else. When we had a live show I was overjoyed that they are back to having an audience, but then went back to empty arena. Im sure not having fans and ticket sales hurt ALOT. MLW was doing it for a short period, took a break and are back to live shows. I do not see why ROH could not do the same, but cutting ties with everyone!? It will be almost a complete reboot, unless there is some handshake deals for down the road (Which is why you saw who picked up the belts at final battle). ROH has always been one show that I had to watch weekly, then it started to get to be a highlight reel pointing to the HonorClub (for a youtube show I could see that, but do not do that on your syndicated weekly show. Then we moved into the filler while we wait to see what COVID is going to do and then we had what we all saw was the empty arena shows. We are lacking the shows with pure wrestling, thankfully NWA has been filling in that gap. With losing what NXT and how bad RAW and Smackdown have been for awhile we need better alternatives. Sorry I have been gone awhile, a lot going on in our household lately (more on that in a week) Not to hijack the thread, but this was the only place I posted it. Been a busy few months around here, we are having a baby! Now that all the major concerns are past we can finally say that So Glad to hear this!
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Post by The Laughing Man on Feb 10, 2022 7:13:57 GMT -8
Not to hijack the thread, but this was the only place I posted it. Been a busy few months around here, we are having a baby! Now that all the major concerns are past we can finally say that Congratulations!!!Thank you, now I will have someone to goto shows with me willingly or unwillingly
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Post by The Laughing Man on Feb 10, 2022 7:14:14 GMT -8
Not to hijack the thread, but this was the only place I posted it. Been a busy few months around here, we are having a baby! Now that all the major concerns are past we can finally say that So Glad to hear this! I know, its been a long time coming
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