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Post by spacemountain on Dec 21, 2019 15:26:16 GMT -8
At into the Fire Joe Galli said the Wildcards where the 148th NWA tag title reign. For those keeping score this suggests the NWA is tracing the belts back to the Andersons winning the Mid Atlantic version of the belts in 1975.
This is actually contrary to Jim Crockett promotions which recognised the belts going back to the Florida (1960s, Bob Brauner version)
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Post by Jay Cal on Dec 23, 2019 10:36:28 GMT -8
I feel very much they are picking and choosing which lineage they choose to follow. Austin Idol wasn't the NWA World TV Champion. He held the NWA National Championship. These two belts were not the same. Maybe they were just trying to shine on Idol or maybe it was a simple mistake, either way... I'm not going to get too hung up on it.
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Post by WWLTD on Dec 23, 2019 20:54:59 GMT -8
"Wrestling has no history, only a past"
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Post by dkm on Dec 23, 2019 22:06:53 GMT -8
The BoD recognized champions were supposedly Terry Gordy and Steve Williams.
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Post by spacemountain on Dec 25, 2019 3:26:27 GMT -8
I did find that annoying that Williams and Gordy were considered the first BOD tag champs because for anyone watching wrestling in the 1980s the JCP champions were clearly the only NWA World tag team champions
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Post by oldschoolcorino on Dec 25, 2019 9:06:46 GMT -8
I did find that annoying that Williams and Gordy were considered the first BOD tag champs because for anyone watching wrestling in the 1980s the JCP champions were clearly the only NWA World tag team champions Its their right as a company to acknowledge any lineage they like but cant with any conviction begin with Miracle Violence Connection and still recognize RnR Express as 9 time champs. |
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Post by dkm on Dec 25, 2019 20:29:29 GMT -8
I did find that annoying that Williams and Gordy were considered the first BOD tag champs because for anyone watching wrestling in the 1980s the JCP champions were clearly the only NWA World tag team champions Reality vs perception. The NWA didn't recognize tag team champions, that simple. Some claim the first BoD champions were the RnR in WWF. |
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Post by ZEKE on Dec 26, 2019 6:34:58 GMT -8
I did find that annoying that Williams and Gordy were considered the first BOD tag champs because for anyone watching wrestling in the 1980s the JCP champions were clearly the only NWA World tag team champions Reality vs perception. The NWA didn't recognize tag team champions, that simple. Some claim the first BoD champions were the RnR in WWF. This... I recall in the early days of title history research that while the Mid-Atlantic version of the NWA tag titles became the WCW tag titles, the 1992 ones were essentially the WCW version of the NWA tag titles. The board declared all titles vacant in 1997 to eliminate these rogue promoters creating a World titles, including world tag titles in Dallas and North Carolina, a world light heavyweight title in New Jersey which if I recall had a champion who was a super heavyweight and crowning a man the women’s champion in Virginia... after that, the board would decide who held the belts... |
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Post by spacemountain on Dec 30, 2019 9:57:31 GMT -8
Well the other way of looking at it, is that throughout most of the period 1984-1991 the NWA went along with anything Jim Crocket Promotions did when any of the titles. When Flair was booking for WCW in 1989 was he writing to Don Owen in Portland and Steve Rickard in New Zealand for permission to put the belt on Sting the following year? And after 1984 what other promotions apart from Baba were booking the NWA champion? Did Flair, Garvin or Sting ever defend the belt for Don Owen? Likewise, after Starrcade 83 (as a convenient reference point) the JCP/NWA Tag team champions were de facto the only NWA World tag team champions. And it seems the BOD did recognise them, in fact at Starrcade 1986 the belts that the Rock N Roll Express wear today were introduced by NWA President Bob Geigel as the new NWA World Tag Team Championships. Here's the video of him doing so: www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=37&v=EKDRkm6E1N4 he states it was the 25th anniversary of the titles which suggests he was tracing the lineage back past the Mid Atlantic and to the Von Brauner-Florida belts. The NWA went along with anything JCP/WCW did with the world, tag and US belts and de-facto recognised them as being synonymous with the NWA, right up until Herd stripped Flair of the belt and the NWA all of a sudden grew a pair and decided they weren't going to recognise Luger. From 1992 the NWA did recognise the largely WCW and NJPW sanctioned tag team championships held by the Miracle Violence Connection etc. |
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Post by Wrestling-Titles.com on Dec 30, 2019 14:14:39 GMT -8
Flair defended the title for Owen several times in 1984 and against Top Gun (David Sierra) in Sep 1988, but that's about it. Garvin's reign was so short, and I don't have any record of Sting defending the title on non-JCP cards.
Geigel, or any other NWA president/exec, was often brought in (or made video appearance) to help the local angles, so just because he was on the card presenting the belt doesn't mean the title was recognized by the BOD. Crockett did the same for Baba with the International Title in the early 80s.
I believe Gordy & Williams were the first champions officially recognized by the BOD although I'm not sure about the post-WCW titles such as Dallas JCP, IWA Japan, and SCW in NC. Morton & Gibson in WWF were obviously recognized by the BOD.
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Post by dkm on Dec 30, 2019 14:29:55 GMT -8
NWA President Bob Geigel stripped Larry Zbyszko of the National title after he "bought it". You can spin it anyway you want it, the reality is by that time only the NWA World title was booked through the NWA office. The tag titles were never booked through the NWA office until the Rock-n-Roll Express were showed up in WWE with them. The Board agreed to let WCW and New Japan hold a tournament for the tag titles that were won by Gordy & Williams. Anything before that is rationalizing.
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Post by ZEKE on Dec 30, 2019 19:03:24 GMT -8
Also to note, the NWA tag title from 1992 was initially mentioned that it would be a yearly tag tournament as opposed to being sanctioned a week to week defended type title. That obviously changed because WCW had the NWA belts put on the WCW tag champions.
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