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Post by shawn on Apr 5, 2016 9:28:07 GMT -8
I think it safe to say Polejump is the problem. Not this Board,not DKM,not Jay,not the NWA,etc. its Polejump.
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Post by tonybrooklyn on Apr 5, 2016 9:59:33 GMT -8
Fact 1
This is Jay's site....and DKM has been given the keys to run it....or something like that. Nevertheless, here is the point. It's their house. They can run it as they see fit. We are guests here....and just like at home....they can ask or demand that guests behave a certain way or leave.
Fact 2
They are not taking away our freedom of speech.....they just are limiting it here. Freedom of speech can be practiced virtually anywhere else, if discouraged here.
Fact 3
My experiences with the brand and my former "partner" are what they are. They are facts. The things that people tell me about him are what they are. I can't change who I am, history or the information I have. I will post it accordingly...in my normal style....and if I'm deemed not a good guest as a result I will be asked to leave and/or ushered out. Jay, DKM, Jaden, just say the word and I'll be gone. That simple.
Fact 4
Ever wonder why the daily news isn't filled with rainbows and unicorns? People won't engage in talking about them. If you have a nice story, it's usually near the end of the broadcast.....and it occupies about 1 minute of their 30 minute format. As Bischoff said and proved....controversy creates cash. I say that realizing that the news is "business"...and they are going to go with what draws attention. The leaders of this site probably view it as a hobby and a safe haven they can escape to. If thats the case, it's their right.
Fact 5 - The Truth
Most people can't handle the truth. I say to them, if you don't like the truth being exposed, create better truths next time.
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Post by tonybrooklyn on Apr 5, 2016 10:10:38 GMT -8
PS. Jay, don't under sell the influence of this site. It is because of this site that DW did not get a title run. When it was suggested here that he would win, a swerve was created. Don't get me wrong, I think it was stupid for us to do that, and remains one of my biggest regrets.
Next, this site drives some people. They read it every day....and are affected by whats written here. I know, first hand....and I wouldn't doubt for one minute that those types would do anything in their power to try and curtail whats posted here. I know this...because in the past...I was sent to talk to you or DKM (privately) about what was posted here....because "we" wanted it changed. I'm coming at things from a different angle now....not influenced by idiocy.....but someone is still in the same boat....doing whatever possible to squash and then redefine the truth.
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Post by gmellos on Apr 5, 2016 10:22:59 GMT -8
Well since this forum is privately owned and we all are using this forum for free (not a lawyer) but I think the 1st AD doesn't mean anything here.
Polejump can say what ever he wants but he needs to be prepared for people to reply. He also needs to learn how to not be so whiny. Whiny people in debate usually end up getting it worse cause they are too sensitive.
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Apr 5, 2016 10:38:18 GMT -8
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Post by BeltFanChris on Apr 5, 2016 10:38:18 GMT -8
Look, here is my 2 cents on all this. I get tired of looking at the forum and seeing nothing but negative and hatred towards each other. It is really getting old. I truly respect Jay as the owner of the site / forum, DKM and JADEN has the admins. I also respect everyone that is a member of this forum
I for 1, miss the old days of the old board. I join in 2011 and I was very happy that I found the forum. Those were the good days and I miss them alot
I'm really hoping that things get better
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Post by NWA Fanatic on Apr 5, 2016 10:52:41 GMT -8
It's funny when PJ takes things out of context to make him look like he was or someone was attacked. Sorry there was no attack made you need to move on from that and stop looking for the sympathy card.
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Post by NWA Fanatic on Apr 5, 2016 10:55:35 GMT -8
Look, here is my 2 cents on all this. I get tired of looking at the forum and seeing nothing but negative and hatred towards each other. It is really getting old. I truly respect Jay as the owner of the site / forum, DKM and JADEN has the admins. I also respect everyone that is a member of this forum I for 1, miss the old days of the old board. I join in 2011 and I was very happy that I found the forum. Those were the good days and I miss them alot I'm really hoping that things get better The NWA was in a better place at that point in time, a lot of great companies providing great television and making it about he NWA brand, not about one person! Those days are gone though.
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Post by BeltFanChris on Apr 5, 2016 11:18:32 GMT -8
Look, here is my 2 cents on all this. I get tired of looking at the forum and seeing nothing but negative and hatred towards each other. It is really getting old. I truly respect Jay as the owner of the site / forum, DKM and JADEN has the admins. I also respect everyone that is a member of this forum I for 1, miss the old days of the old board. I join in 2011 and I was very happy that I found the forum. Those were the good days and I miss them alot I'm really hoping that things get better The NWA was in a better place at that point in time, a lot of great companies providing great television and making it about he NWA brand, not about one person! Those days are gone though. That is why I'm glad the old board is still up. You could go threw the archives and reminisce about the old days. I do hope that the old board will remain up for that very reason
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Post by tonybrooklyn on Apr 5, 2016 12:27:23 GMT -8
Look, here is my 2 cents on all this. I get tired of looking at the forum and seeing nothing but negative and hatred towards each other. It is really getting old. I truly respect Jay as the owner of the site / forum, DKM and JADEN has the admins. I also respect everyone that is a member of this forum I for 1, miss the old days of the old board. I join in 2011 and I was very happy that I found the forum. Those were the good days and I miss them alot I'm really hoping that things get better The NWA was in a better place at that point in time, a lot of great companies providing great television and making it about he NWA brand, not about one person! Those days are gone though. I'm glad you brought it up THE issue. I was going to do it, but figured you guys would zero in....which proves that it's not just me...or Fred...etc. You can't have a discussion about the current state of the alliance without discussing the alliance...the individual. You are correct. It's about one "person" now. That person's actions and behaviors are at the center of every discussion....and rightfully so. I am fond of many promoters and wrestlers who participate in alliance activity....but it's not about them. They are nothing but tools to get one man over. It's sad and I resent that kind of "management". Surely they realize that if they help him build the brand....and he is able to sell it....which was always the desire when we were "partners"....they will be left in the rear view mirror. There is no "win" for them. There is one common denominator here. I didn't suddenly become a bad guy.....neither did Fred. I highly doubt Polejump found this forum....out of the many out there....to randomly choose to criticize my former "partner" as a method to troll the board. The same goes for gmellos, Fairfax, etc. There is one reason for everyone's criticism. On a side note, over the past 6 months, many have asked me about my former "partner's" health. I can't speak to the "rapid aging", "signs of illness", etc. that people are asking me about. I honestly don't know. I have had zero contact with him.....which is one of the greatest blessings of my life. Someone recently told me that he looks like he has aged 10-15 years in the last 1-2. Another was "concerned" about his rapid weight loss.....while another suggested that he looks like a "nervous wreck". Others talked of his "lack of energy". I can really only speak from experience about the "energy" comment. When I talked to him on a regular basis....the highs were real high....and the lows were real low. If anyone experienced a lack of energy, maybe you caught him during one of the lows.
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Post by dkm on Apr 5, 2016 12:42:32 GMT -8
I'm calling BS. People here praise Tony Givens and his promotion, his TV show is posted, but where is the conversation? Jason Kincaid has been the Champion for what, 4 1/2 years? Is that good? Is that bad? What about there are a few others that have shows, what about them? Vendetta post card information all the time here, again where is the conversation? Mid-South runs weekly shows the have focused around the National title since January.
There are a ton of topics that are appropriate for this board and to express opinions. We know how most people feel about Bruce here, move on.
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Post by Fred Richards on Apr 5, 2016 12:44:26 GMT -8
Tony nailed it. The theme of this Board centers around a brand. As it exists today, this brand is under exclusive control of one person. Accordingly, any criticism, name dropped or not, directly reflects on this individual.
I have not read a single syllable knocking a promoter, wrestler, etc. What I have read are discussions, critiques and suggestions how a once-great brand might be rescued.
I affirm what Tony wrote. The swerve whereby Kahagas went over on DW was a direct product of the banter on this website. Both men are great in their own right. However, the resiliency of DW the night he did the job forever makes him a veritable hero in my book. He and his lovely bride literally had the floor pulled out from under them and they rebounded with class and professionalism. Why the promise that was made to him has never been honored is something only that one individual can answer - the person who is the Chief Cook and Bottle Washer.
Managing this forum takes time. Jaden, Jay and DKM have my compliments. Those who have the guts to put their sincere feelings and thoughts in the public eye via postings do, too.
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Post by gmellos on Apr 5, 2016 12:52:40 GMT -8
Look, here is my 2 cents on all this. I get tired of looking at the forum and seeing nothing but negative and hatred towards each other. It is really getting old. I truly respect Jay as the owner of the site / forum, DKM and JADEN has the admins. I also respect everyone that is a member of this forum I for 1, miss the old days of the old board. I join in 2011 and I was very happy that I found the forum. Those were the good days and I miss them alot I'm really hoping that things get better Fanatic is right. Back in 2011 the NWA has several members who were doing things that made the NWA look good now we have some dude who run's it to only feed his ego. The forum is full of people who hate that. Some harp on it to the point of blind obsession while others actually have an axe to grind.
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Post by tonybrooklyn on Apr 5, 2016 12:54:40 GMT -8
No one is stopping anyone from posting positive things here. I agree that there are some incredible promoters and wrestlers who are currently active within the umbrella of the alliance. They certainly serve a purpose.....creating brand value falls on them...Lord knows the brand isn't capable of displaying value on it's own accord. I think we all also know that their success has nothing to do with the alliance/the individual. They are independent promoters and wrestlers who have no equity in the brand....and can move on....as many have done over the years....and many will do in the future.
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Post by gmellos on Apr 5, 2016 12:56:57 GMT -8
I'm calling BS. People here praise Tony Givens and his promotion, his TV show is posted, but where is the conversation? Jason Kincaid has been the Champion for what, 4 1/2 years? Is that good? Is that bad? What about there are a few others that have shows, what about them? Vendetta post card information all the time here, again where is the conversation? Mid-South runs weekly shows the have focused around the National title since January. There are a ton of topics that are appropriate for this board and to express opinions. We know how most people feel about Bruce here, move on. I will be honest here, I only post here because it has become habit and Jay is my friend. I stop caring or following the NWA when the new ownership took over.
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Post by dkm on Apr 5, 2016 13:08:40 GMT -8
I'm calling BS. People here praise Tony Givens and his promotion, his TV show is posted, but where is the conversation? Jason Kincaid has been the Champion for what, 4 1/2 years? Is that good? Is that bad? What about there are a few others that have shows, what about them? Vendetta post card information all the time here, again where is the conversation? Mid-South runs weekly shows the have focused around the National title since January. There are a ton of topics that are appropriate for this board and to express opinions. We know how most people feel about Bruce here, move on. I will be honest here, I only post here because it has become habit and Jay is my friend. I stop caring or following the NWA when the new ownership took over. Yet this forum is more than the NWA. Do you follow any wrestling?
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