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Post by BeltFanChris on Apr 21, 2016 7:39:09 GMT -8
David Marquez and Fred Rubenstein, can we please rest this once for all. TNA and NWA, I'm on FB and people all over FB say is saying that TNA should rejoin the NWA. I keep telling them that TNA was never actually members of the NWA, they just license the exclusive rights to both the World Heavyweight title and World Tag Team titles
People are saying I'am wrong and yes TNA were in fact official member's of the NWA
So can I pleaes get definite answer so we put this to rest once and for all
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Post by cwfhmarquez on Apr 21, 2016 7:47:31 GMT -8
David Marquez and Fred Rubenstein, can we please rest this once for all. TNA and NWA, I'm on FB and people all over FB say is saying that TNA should rejoin the NWA. I keep telling them that TNA was never actually members of the NWA, they just license the exclusive rights to both the World Heavyweight title and World Tag Team titles People are saying I'am wrong and yes TNA were in fact official member's of the NWA So can I pleaes get definite answer so we put this to rest once and for all They were never a member of the NWA, we had a licensing agreement with them that allowed them to "rent" the logo and Championships. Also, PWO. LLC ended the relationship, not them. |
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Post by gmellos on Apr 21, 2016 7:47:52 GMT -8
David Marquez and Fred Rubenstein, can we please rest this once for all. TNA and NWA, I'm on FB and people all over FB say is saying that TNA should rejoin the NWA. I keep telling them that TNA was never actually members of the NWA, they just license the exclusive rights to both the World Heavyweight title and World Tag Team titles People are saying I'am wrong and yes TNA were in fact official member's of the NWA So can I pleaes get definite answer so we put this to rest once and for all I think you are right. I think confusion is that they went by NWA:TNA for a minute. |
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Post by NWA Fanatic on Apr 21, 2016 11:13:25 GMT -8
The NWA name and brand wouldn't help TNA what-so-ever in this day and age. They're hurting big time, the only thing that could help is getting the current owner out.
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Post by MKCS on Apr 21, 2016 12:31:10 GMT -8
TNA is on it's last legs and probably has the worst name for itself in all of wrestling. A couple months back I was talking to a woman who was 25-26 and she mentioned her kid liked WWE and that her ex boyfriend also enjoyed it to the point that she went into labour and he wouldn't take her to hospital until RAW was finished.
I said I was a wrestling fan as well and that I liked TNA. Her response was something along the lines of "Oh yeah, TNA, I've heard of them. That's where all the old WWE guys go, isn't it?". No hint of sarcasm just legitimately asking a question. When 5/5 of TNA main event guys all were under WWE contract at some point it's hard to say "No" to that so my response was "Yeah, it is"
That's the image TNA has to the casual fan and the hardcore fans who live professional wrestling think TNA is a joke. Changing the name from "TNA" to NWA: TNA" isn't going to help these matters. A lot of fans talk about how if TNA dropped X amount of dollars into marketing they'd be good and everything would work, a podcaster brought up a great point saying "If the product is terrible how is marketing going to help? You're just getting more eyeballs on a bad product". I'd never thought of it that way before but he was right.
So, what saves TNA? Nothing. If Dixie stays in control they're screwed but if they get taken over the wrestling headlines are going to read "Nazi sympathizers take over TNA Wrestling". It's lose-lose.
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Post by gmellos on Apr 21, 2016 13:17:12 GMT -8
TNA is on it's last legs and probably has the worst name for itself in all of wrestling. A couple months back I was talking to a woman who was 25-26 and she mentioned her kid liked WWE and that her ex boyfriend also enjoyed it to the point that she went into labour and he wouldn't take her to hospital until RAW was finished. I said I was a wrestling fan as well and that I liked TNA. Her response was something along the lines of "Oh yeah, TNA, I've heard of them. That's where all the old WWE guys go, isn't it?". No hint of sarcasm just legitimately asking a question. When 5/5 of TNA main event guys all were under WWE contract at some point it's hard to say "No" to that so my response was "Yeah, it is" That's the image TNA has to the casual fan and the hardcore fans who live professional wrestling think TNA is a joke. Changing the name from "TNA" to NWA: TNA" isn't going to help these matters. A lot of fans talk about how if TNA dropped X amount of dollars into marketing they'd be good and everything would work, a podcaster brought up a great point saying "If the product is terrible how is marketing going to help? You're just getting more eyeballs on a bad product". I'd never thought of it that way before but he was right. So, what saves TNA? Nothing. If Dixie stays in control they're screwed but if they get taken over the wrestling headlines are going to read "Nazi sympathizers take over TNA Wrestling". It's lose-lose. True but the reality is that ALL the OG TNA guys have moved over to WWE. Dixie screwed herself when she hire Bishoff, HOgan and Russo. TNA can still be saved they will have to be sold completely over to someone who has the cash, love of, knowledge of wrestling to make it work. |
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Post by Fred Richards on Apr 21, 2016 14:23:30 GMT -8
The TNA deal was the best shot at major success PWO had. However, quoting Joe Pesci's character in "Casino", we "fu**** it all up" - - just like several other opportunities the "old guard" had.
And therein you have an illustration of why the "old guard" was ill-equipped to fight off any challenges. Some of the shareholder/members were so entrenched in stupid sibling rivalry that they couldn't realize unity if it hit them in their ass.
Jerry and Jeff Jarrett gave PWO a free window on the world. True-to-form, PWO elected not to look out that window - - they chose to jump out of it and crash on the pavement below.
I have every piece of correspondence re that deal. However, I will not rag on a dead person who, although a horrible businessman, was a character I enjoyed and liked.
And so it goes.
And so it went.
And so it is forever gone.
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Post by MKCS on Apr 21, 2016 17:33:07 GMT -8
TNA is on it's last legs and probably has the worst name for itself in all of wrestling. A couple months back I was talking to a woman who was 25-26 and she mentioned her kid liked WWE and that her ex boyfriend also enjoyed it to the point that she went into labour and he wouldn't take her to hospital until RAW was finished. I said I was a wrestling fan as well and that I liked TNA. Her response was something along the lines of "Oh yeah, TNA, I've heard of them. That's where all the old WWE guys go, isn't it?". No hint of sarcasm just legitimately asking a question. When 5/5 of TNA main event guys all were under WWE contract at some point it's hard to say "No" to that so my response was "Yeah, it is" That's the image TNA has to the casual fan and the hardcore fans who live professional wrestling think TNA is a joke. Changing the name from "TNA" to NWA: TNA" isn't going to help these matters. A lot of fans talk about how if TNA dropped X amount of dollars into marketing they'd be good and everything would work, a podcaster brought up a great point saying "If the product is terrible how is marketing going to help? You're just getting more eyeballs on a bad product". I'd never thought of it that way before but he was right. So, what saves TNA? Nothing. If Dixie stays in control they're screwed but if they get taken over the wrestling headlines are going to read "Nazi sympathizers take over TNA Wrestling". It's lose-lose. True but the reality is that ALL the OG TNA guys have moved over to WWE. Dixie screwed herself when she hire Bishoff, HOgan and Russo. TNA can still be saved they will have to be sold completely over to someone who has the cash, love of, knowledge of wrestling to make it work. Bischoff and Hogan could have done good business for TNA, the problem was Russo was the head writer and booked some dumb stuff like Abyss becoming Hulk Hogan's clone, AJ becoming Flair's clone etc etc. That's coming from a Russo fan by the way. |
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Post by gmellos on Apr 21, 2016 18:32:52 GMT -8
True but the reality is that ALL the OG TNA guys have moved over to WWE. Dixie screwed herself when she hire Bishoff, HOgan and Russo. TNA can still be saved they will have to be sold completely over to someone who has the cash, love of, knowledge of wrestling to make it work. Bischoff and Hogan could have done good business for TNA, the problem was Russo was the head writer and booked some dumb stuff like Abyss becoming Hulk Hogan's clone, AJ becoming Flair's clone etc etc. That's coming from a Russo fan by the way. Sorry but Booking the Nasty boys and Val Venus is NOT what is best for business. Hogan only care about Hogan and his buddies PJ. Cornette of Paul Hayman should have been hired instead. |
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Post by MKCS on Apr 22, 2016 1:14:54 GMT -8
Cornette signed with ROH and almost ruined them with his old school booking ideas. Heyman wanted 100% control of the company including the financials.
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Post by shawn on Apr 22, 2016 4:07:00 GMT -8
I think Heyman is decent with financials considering he made ECW work without nowhere near the help TNA had. Imagine if Heyman had Panda Energy backing ECW?
I think Trobich and Tharpe would have done a much better job with the NWA if they had Panda Energy type backing.
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Post by cwfhmarquez on Apr 22, 2016 7:56:31 GMT -8
True but the reality is that ALL the OG TNA guys have moved over to WWE. Dixie screwed herself when she hire Bishoff, HOgan and Russo. TNA can still be saved they will have to be sold completely over to someone who has the cash, love of, knowledge of wrestling to make it work. Bischoff and Hogan could have done good business for TNA, the problem was Russo was the head writer and booked some dumb stuff like Abyss becoming Hulk Hogan's clone, AJ becoming Flair's clone etc etc. That's coming from a Russo fan by the way. I totally disagree. Wrestling has changed so much in the past 15 years. The last thing anyone wants to see if HH or EB. To me "wrestling" is now a genre, like a sitcom, drama, etc. We will never be another promotional war. 1997 is gone and I wish this way of thinking was too. |
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Post by gmellos on Apr 22, 2016 7:57:17 GMT -8
Cornette signed with ROH and almost ruined them with his old school booking ideas. Heyman wanted 100% control of the company including the financials. RoH is a totally different animal than TNA is. TNA is a WCW clone and is based in the South so his style would work there. Also you don't think Hogan and Bishoff weren't given complete control?  |
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Post by cwfhmarquez on Apr 22, 2016 7:57:31 GMT -8
Bischoff and Hogan could have done good business for TNA, the problem was Russo was the head writer and booked some dumb stuff like Abyss becoming Hulk Hogan's clone, AJ becoming Flair's clone etc etc. That's coming from a Russo fan by the way. Sorry but Booking the Nasty boys and Val Venus is NOT what is best for business. Hogan only care about Hogan and his buddies PJ. Cornette of Paul Hayman should have been hired instead. Hyman yes, JC no. He's way in the past. Its great to celebrate tradition and stuff, but again 1997 is gone and so is 1974. |
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Post by cwfhmarquez on Apr 22, 2016 8:00:07 GMT -8
I think Heyman is decent with financials considering he made ECW work without nowhere near the help TNA had. Imagine if Heyman had Panda Energy backing ECW? I think Trobich and Tharpe would have done a much better job with the NWA if they had Panda Energy type backing. 1. The NWA isn't a promotion. 2. Heyman, mismanaged ECW, WWE & WCW we're putting money into it while it was on TNN. 3. The mega-promotion is dead. There isn't enough public interest and no sum money in the world will change that. 4. What do I know. |
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