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Post by dkm on Jun 29, 2016 14:39:52 GMT -8
First off I'm not sure what makes a "name" to begin with. Jerry Flynn was once in the finals of NWA World title tournament. He was known, but primarily as being enhancement talent in WCW.
Nothing Magical will happen if Rhodes is champion as it's up to the booking style of the promoter. In a way, who the champion is really doesn't matter much.
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Post by gmellos on Jun 29, 2016 19:31:22 GMT -8
Never said a company NEEDS names. Allow me to get my opinions on "name" talent out there because I think I unfairly get the "He just cares about names" label. From a regional indy perspective it's really case by case. I live in an upper class area (No, I'm not upper class) and my local indy draws about 250-300 for each show they do and they do this with tickets at 25 ringside 15 general. They recently hired Orlando Jordan (Who lives in Australia now) to come in and win their heavyweight title. I don't know what they make or lose but Orlando Jordan works for 750 a show here in Australia so with flight (He lives in another state) and hotel he'd probably cost them a grand. For them, due to their big crowd and the fact that they're most likely profiting it makes sense to bring him in. Not because he's selling them 50 tickets but because the fans see something fresh, the workers benefit by working with him and the promotion gets a little prestige boost by having a former WWE/TNA guy wrestling as their champion. If you look at my hometown indy though from where I grew up they're about two hours down the road, they sell about 100-150 seats and charge just 10 dollars. For them, they're better off using Madison Eagles (Who is a regular for them) who can draw just as many people without the cost. I saw Raven wrestle in the city two hours down the road and the crowd was legitimately about 75 people. They're not interested in it, the locals can do better than name guys so there is no point in bringing them in. From an NWA perspective they're an international brand with territories all over the USA and also Australia. They need a World Champion that an international audience can recognise so in that case, they do need a name to remain relevant and give their local promoters a World Champion to be proud of. You think anyone here in Australia gives a shit about Jax Dane? Hell no. The problem with the NWA is that Bruce Tharpe has the "just take the money" motto which means a lot of his promotions are indeed the lower level indies with small populations who draw the same 100 people at 10 dollars a ticket. If you have a high end champion who might cost anywhere between 1000-2000 dollars in match fee alone can you expect that indy to bring that guy in and lose their ass? Of course not. If it were me, I'd have set aside the membership money for something like this. I'd send out a mass E-Mail asking who would want Cody to defend the NWA World Heavyweight Title in their promotion. You then dip into the membership money and have Bruce Tharpe pay half of it. For example, if Rhodes is 1500 dollars you'd have Tharpe pay 750 out of the NWA money and allow the promoter to pay the other 750 and the flight/hotel. If he was smart he could arrange Rhodes to appear in six NWA promotions (Costing him about 4500 dollars) allowing a three to four month title reign for Rhodes. You could then have him drop it to a more affordable name and try to bring the NWA back to some kind of limelight. Seriously, This is a backtrack. You ran around saying that names are what mattered and you even said that multiple promotions could band together to pay the name champ now you are saying it isn't viable now?
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Post by shawn on Jun 30, 2016 3:55:02 GMT -8
Depends on the name. I think most wrestlers in ROH,TNA and LU are easy to book compare to a former WWE/WCW name. I can't imagine Jay Lethal being expensive even though he is the ROH champion at the moment.
The problem with Jax is that he has no stand out matches. It's hard to find his title matches as well. Now if someone like Jason Kincaid was the champion, people would praise him because his matches are better and more visible. If I was the powers that be, the Heavyweight title and World tag team titles would be on a smoky mountain regular.
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Post by MKCS on Jun 30, 2016 16:04:42 GMT -8
Never said a company NEEDS names. Allow me to get my opinions on "name" talent out there because I think I unfairly get the "He just cares about names" label. From a regional indy perspective it's really case by case. I live in an upper class area (No, I'm not upper class) and my local indy draws about 250-300 for each show they do and they do this with tickets at 25 ringside 15 general. They recently hired Orlando Jordan (Who lives in Australia now) to come in and win their heavyweight title. I don't know what they make or lose but Orlando Jordan works for 750 a show here in Australia so with flight (He lives in another state) and hotel he'd probably cost them a grand. For them, due to their big crowd and the fact that they're most likely profiting it makes sense to bring him in. Not because he's selling them 50 tickets but because the fans see something fresh, the workers benefit by working with him and the promotion gets a little prestige boost by having a former WWE/TNA guy wrestling as their champion. If you look at my hometown indy though from where I grew up they're about two hours down the road, they sell about 100-150 seats and charge just 10 dollars. For them, they're better off using Madison Eagles (Who is a regular for them) who can draw just as many people without the cost. I saw Raven wrestle in the city two hours down the road and the crowd was legitimately about 75 people. They're not interested in it, the locals can do better than name guys so there is no point in bringing them in. From an NWA perspective they're an international brand with territories all over the USA and also Australia. They need a World Champion that an international audience can recognise so in that case, they do need a name to remain relevant and give their local promoters a World Champion to be proud of. You think anyone here in Australia gives a shit about Jax Dane? Hell no. The problem with the NWA is that Bruce Tharpe has the "just take the money" motto which means a lot of his promotions are indeed the lower level indies with small populations who draw the same 100 people at 10 dollars a ticket. If you have a high end champion who might cost anywhere between 1000-2000 dollars in match fee alone can you expect that indy to bring that guy in and lose their ass? Of course not. If it were me, I'd have set aside the membership money for something like this. I'd send out a mass E-Mail asking who would want Cody to defend the NWA World Heavyweight Title in their promotion. You then dip into the membership money and have Bruce Tharpe pay half of it. For example, if Rhodes is 1500 dollars you'd have Tharpe pay 750 out of the NWA money and allow the promoter to pay the other 750 and the flight/hotel. If he was smart he could arrange Rhodes to appear in six NWA promotions (Costing him about 4500 dollars) allowing a three to four month title reign for Rhodes. You could then have him drop it to a more affordable name and try to bring the NWA back to some kind of limelight. Seriously, This is a backtrack. You ran around saying that names are what mattered and you even said that multiple promotions could band together to pay the name champ now you are saying it isn't viable now? No, that's what people have always assumed. Multiple promotions banding together works for a cheaper talent, for example if three Texas companies wanted to bring in Colt Cabana they all could easily afford his booking fee and splitting flights would save them a little money. With Rhodes, being fresh out of WWE and the hottest thing on the indy circuit right now he's probably around the 1500 dollar mark. Saving a couple hundred bucks on flights isn't going to help these smaller promotions because they need to drop 1500 to get him to work in the first place.
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Post by dkm on Jun 30, 2016 17:17:22 GMT -8
You once wanted to put the title on a 50+ year old Raven because he "can draw". You have evolved some.
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Post by MKCS on Jun 30, 2016 22:20:47 GMT -8
You once wanted to put the title on a 50+ year old Raven because he "can draw". You have evolved some. Raven has areas he draws in and I remember saying he should be World Champion. That was wrong, Raven would make a great regional champion in his hometown of Atlanta but World Champion? No. I believe Raven's body is so broken down now that he only works tag team matches anyway though. He seems to be the one who is doing the worst body wise out of all the ECW guys.
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Post by gmellos on Jul 1, 2016 7:27:18 GMT -8
You once wanted to put the title on a 50+ year old Raven because he "can draw". You have evolved some. Polejump is like a politician. He is constantly evolving on his opinions to suit his argument!
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Post by gmellos on Jul 1, 2016 8:11:53 GMT -8
Seriously, This is a backtrack. You ran around saying that names are what mattered and you even said that multiple promotions could band together to pay the name champ now you are saying it isn't viable now? No, that's what people have always assumed. Multiple promotions banding together works for a cheaper talent, for example if three Texas companies wanted to bring in Colt Cabana they all could easily afford his booking fee and splitting flights would save them a little money. With Rhodes, being fresh out of WWE and the hottest thing on the indy circuit right now he's probably around the 1500 dollar mark. Saving a couple hundred bucks on flights isn't going to help these smaller promotions because they need to drop 1500 to get him to work in the first place. People always assumed? DUDE that is what you have said ALL along since you came to the forum!
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Post by josephd32 on Jul 6, 2016 6:39:26 GMT -8
With Rhodes, being fresh out of WWE and the hottest thing on the indy circuit right now he's probably around the 1500 dollar mark. Saving a couple hundred bucks on flights isn't going to help these smaller promotions because they need to drop 1500 to get him to work in the first place. Not necessarily true, if negotiated correctly (granted, wen it comes to Indy wrestling, most people involved aren't exactly the greatest of negotiators), the price can be lowered per appearance if there is more money to be made in a series of appearances within a relatively small area of travel, thus saving Rhodes (or whomever) on travel costs and leaving him with more money in-pocket at the end of three appearances on a Friday, Saturday and Sunday.
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Post by shawn on Jul 6, 2016 10:31:03 GMT -8
Although he is a hot wrestler, Rhodes is a huge fan and would probably love to wrestle in a NWA World title match just because its in his blood to be honest and something he can put on his long list of things.
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Post by gmellos on Jul 6, 2016 13:01:22 GMT -8
Although he is a hot wrestler, Rhodes is a huge fan and would probably love to wrestle in a NWA World title match just because its in his blood to be honest and something he can put on his long list of things. Think of it as this way his Dad was a NWA Champ so why not.
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Post by dkm on Jul 6, 2016 16:27:57 GMT -8
Rhodes will make all the money he can as long as he can and that's the way it should be.
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Post by MKCS on Jul 6, 2016 17:27:43 GMT -8
Rhodes will make all the money he can as long as he can and that's the way it should be. Yeah, he's not some NWA mark who is going to work for 300 a show simply to say he was NWA Champion.
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Post by shawn on Jul 6, 2016 17:37:33 GMT -8
I didn't say win the title. If Aj Styles work smoky mountain anything possible.
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Post by dkm on Jul 6, 2016 18:49:09 GMT -8
At some point he make work a show or two but most likely in a special attraction match.
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