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Post by tonybrooklyn on Jan 27, 2016 13:29:42 GMT -8
Before our "partnership" ended, he could see the end of the NJPW deal coming. ROH and others had substantial talent and marketing opportunities to offer...we had 3 letters and a handful of guys they booked, but no one they booked regularly since Conway's run. Thats when he decided to get "more involved" with the local promotions...but only the "top" ones. He said the others could just pay their dues and hang on. Not exact words, but accurate generalization. His idea of getting more involved is making a token appearance.
AS for "doing" something for any promotion. I doubt that will happen. He's hardly available to anyone. Based on what I hear, he surfaces every 4-6 weeks. Every now and again there is the basic unproductive "meeting"....I guess this happens at big events he attends. Thats exactly how it played out at the casino show that Parker helped promote. Everyone sitting around table....no evidence of an intelligent agenda....a bunch of babble.....end of story. It's glad handing at it's best....the appearance that there is involvement...and that the opinions of others matter....but as usual nothing comes from it. Been there, done that. There is no plan....and if there were....no ability to execute against it.
Anyone who invests in the alliance is doing so at their own risk....will be expected to foot the company bill when he is around....and will have to make the best of it for themselves. It's painstakingly obvious that the alliance isn't going to offer any kind of real benefits to the promotions, other than the use of a name and logo thats value has long ago expireed.
PS. I do want to notice Chase Owens...who is booked there regularly now. Chase earned their attention by investing in himself and earning a shot. He went there and impressed. Now he has moved beyond alliance "business". I'm very happy for him. Besides not having a media platform of any kind, we lacked having enough talent to send there and make us relevant. Looking back though, it's good to see that Chase (now) and Rob (then) did well for themselves.
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Post by Jay Cal on Jan 27, 2016 14:02:12 GMT -8
Here's a news flash. I wouldn't open a hotel without knowing what I was doing. I wouldn't open a burger joint, without knowing what I was doing. I wouldn't get into wrestling without knowing what I was doing. Do you see a trend? Regardless if your McDonalds, Super8, or the NWA; if you don't have a knowledge of what to do, you probably shouldn't be getting into it.
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Post by MKCS on Jan 27, 2016 16:57:15 GMT -8
Here's a news flash. I wouldn't open a hotel without knowing what I was doing. I wouldn't open a burger joint, without knowing what I was doing. I wouldn't get into wrestling without knowing what I was doing. Do you see a trend? Regardless if your McDonalds, Super8, or the NWA; if you don't have a knowledge of what to do, you probably shouldn't be getting into it. I said limited not none. For example, perhaps you've done a restaurant management course and you're qualified for that but you don't really have a huge amount of experience in the day to day running of a restaurant. That's where a franchise can assist you and help you with a mentor program. NWA offers literally nothing and that's because it's ran by a fool. |
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Post by dkm on Jan 27, 2016 20:00:02 GMT -8
The NWA doesn't franchise it licenses, there is a big difference.
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Post by MKCS on Jan 27, 2016 20:06:42 GMT -8
What would you consider the NWA as then? They sell the right to use their name throughout the country with a set of recognised champions and have a set of legal rules in place for businesses under the name with a central figurehead
Sounds like a franchise to me.
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Post by dkm on Jan 27, 2016 20:09:11 GMT -8
NWA offers literally nothing and that's because it's ran by a fool. You realize that you are calling everyone who is a member a fool for paying for nothing. Tony Givens has already explained what he gets out of it. Other promoters have said similar things. Again, nobody is holding a gun to anyone's head forcing them to pay. Move on, dude. |
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Post by tonybrooklyn on Jan 27, 2016 21:25:38 GMT -8
What would you consider the NWA as then? They sell the right to use their name throughout the country with a set of recognised champions and have a set of legal rules in place for businesses under the name with a central figurehead Sounds like a franchise to me. At this point, from where I sit, you pay to use the name and logo. I see no other value. I worked hard to try and provide some kind of value when I was there. It perplexed my former "partner" that I did so. He really didn't understand. While I was trying to build the media team and efforts, I was also working on the culture of everyone working together....among other things. When I would share how much time I was spending on the alliance, he just couldn't understand how or why. Now that I'm gone, do you think he's suddenly figured it out and cares enough to try and offer anything at all? I don't see it. It's a brand name and logo. It is what you make of it. It was once a very proud brand that demanded respect...but most don't know it even exists now...and those who do understand it's (insignificant) place in the market, understand how it stacks up against what it used to be....and other compelling fresh and contemporary promotions who have something to offer.. |
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Post by Jay Cal on Jan 28, 2016 7:09:25 GMT -8
What would you consider the NWA as then? They sell the right to use their name throughout the country with a set of recognised champions and have a set of legal rules in place for businesses under the name with a central figurehead Sounds like a franchise to me. At this point, from where I sit, you pay to use the name and logo. I see no other value. I worked hard to try and provide some kind of value when I was there. It perplexed my former "partner" that I did so. He really didn't understand. While I was trying to build the media team and efforts, I was also working on the culture of everyone working together....among other things. When I would share how much time I was spending on the alliance, he just couldn't understand how or why. Now that I'm gone, do you think he's suddenly figured it out and cares enough to try and offer anything at all? I don't see it. It's a brand name and logo. It is what you make of it. It was once a very proud brand that demanded respect...but most don't know it even exists now...and those who do understand it's (insignificant) place in the market, understand how it stacks up against what it used to be....and other compelling fresh and contemporary promotions who have something to offer.. It's always just been a brand and a logo. It was a brand and a logo before you got there, it was a brand and a logo while you were there, it's a brand and a logo after you left. It's always been about what you bring to it. That's why so many of us champion the likes of Marquez and Behrens. That's why most of us are on board with Tony. The NWA name meant nothing in California until Marquez made it mean something. Bill Behrens in Georgia had an advantage of long memories of WTBS, the Superstation, and the NWA. Tony was smart enough to use the Smoky Mountain name, which brought upon familiar feelings with its fan base. What you were shooting for Chris might have made the NWA better. But the "fool" as PoleJump so eloquently put it, really isn't doing much different then the former NWA Ownership. The seminars are a bit much... but outside of that, what's so different? |
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Post by NWA Fanatic on Jan 28, 2016 7:20:34 GMT -8
The thing is, people are missing the point, it's up to the promoter to make the product as valuable. I mean you had several promotions/promoters making a great product and voting on what needs to be done for their organization. Those days are long gone compared to the original version.
When it became about ONE PERSON it lost a lot of value with the rest of the world.
Yes, a smart promoter can make the brand and the logo mean a lot to those who are casual fans! There was this classic movie line that we all know and it is true.... If you build it, they will come!!! You are paying to lease the name and you need to make the most of it!
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Post by dkm on Jan 28, 2016 9:29:05 GMT -8
What would you consider the NWA as then? They sell the right to use their name throughout the country with a set of recognised champions and have a set of legal rules in place for businesses under the name with a central figurehead Sounds like a franchise to me.
Promoters agree to terms and pay a fee for the right to use a name and logo, that's a license. A franchise would be a standardize business model used by the franchisees, would be very restrictive and wouldn't work in wrestling unless maybe the WWE franchised the NXT name.
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Post by dkm on Jan 28, 2016 9:46:45 GMT -8
The thing is, people are missing the point, it's up to the promoter to make the product as valuable. I mean you had several promotions/promoters making a great product and voting on what needs to be done for their organization. Those days are long gone compared to the original version. When it became about ONE PERSON it lost a lot of value with the rest of the world. Yes, a smart promoter can make the brand and the logo mean a lot to those who are casual fans! There was this classic movie line that we all know and it is true.... If you build it, they will come!!! You are paying to lease the name and you need to make the most of it!
You are remembering a world that didn't exist.
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Post by MKCS on Jan 28, 2016 11:17:48 GMT -8
NWA offers literally nothing and that's because it's ran by a fool. You realize that you are calling everyone who is a member a fool for paying for nothing. Tony Givens has already explained what he gets out of it. Other promoters have said similar things. Again, nobody is holding a gun to anyone's head forcing them to pay. Move on, dude. No, I'm not. It's been spoken about here in the past that in some areas the NWA name still has some value as do the NWA legends of the 1980's. A promoter such as Tony Givens has built the NWA name up whilst other promoters can probably see a slight increase from people thinking it's the same NWA from the 1980's. Greg Price is also someone who capitalised. You're only telling me to move on because it's a valid point. If the NWA is to grow throughout the world Tharpe needs to do more. You can't sweep it under the rug with a "Well Tharpe can't do it because of reasons so move on" |
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Post by Jay Cal on Jan 28, 2016 12:59:34 GMT -8
Greg Price was never a member of the NWA, to be honest, they should have used his connections to do these Legends Fanfest all over the country, however... it is what it is.
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Post by dkm on Jan 28, 2016 13:47:43 GMT -8
You realize that you are calling everyone who is a member a fool for paying for nothing. Tony Givens has already explained what he gets out of it. Other promoters have said similar things. Again, nobody is holding a gun to anyone's head forcing them to pay. Move on, dude. No, I'm not. It's been spoken about here in the past that in some areas the NWA name still has some value as do the NWA legends of the 1980's. A promoter such as Tony Givens has built the NWA name up whilst other promoters can probably see a slight increase from people thinking it's the same NWA from the 1980's. Greg Price is also someone who capitalised. You're only telling me to move on because it's a valid point. If the NWA is to grow throughout the world Tharpe needs to do more. You can't sweep it under the rug with a "Well Tharpe can't do it because of reasons so move on" I'm telling you to move on (and I am a admin here) because you have a habit of turning as many threads are possible in to Tharpe bashing. And you don't hold others to the same stanards. We know how feel, unless there is something new, move on. |
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Post by Jay Cal on Jan 28, 2016 14:19:46 GMT -8
Next Topic!!!
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