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Post by MKCS on Jan 24, 2016 19:52:16 GMT -8
Bruce Tharpe is the man in charge of the National Wrestling Alliance and is the man in charge of promoting his organisation to the masses. A lot of companies pay their 300 USD to join and to use the NWA name but the head honcho doesn't do a whole lot to give them return on their investment.
Tharpe receives thousands from these smaller promotions every year so why not start implementing creative ideas to build them up? I came across something recently on Bill Behrens agency website in which Seiya Sanada of TNA fame was offering a deal where promoters would have to pay just 200 dollars to fly him to an event maximum. Sanada was based in Michigan so he could have worked the local Michigan territory and worked some of the smaller companies with Tharpe footing the match fee and the promoters footing the very low flight fee. The Michigan territory of course would get Sanada for free.
DO NOT say that Bruce Tharpe could not afford this. He has thousands for new belts, he's doing a Parade Of Champions deal in March with some pretty big "name" guys and I'm sure that NWA Classics footage didn't come cheap either. If you go with the Sanada idea you become a lot more attractive to other potential promotions because the NWA is showing that it cares for it's own and that the 300 gets you more than just the three letters. Sanada could have been great for the local talent and maybe even brought in some people as well. Tharpe could gather his money back with merchandise, seminar, signing fees etc.
Apart from paying for a name I think Bruce should just have a big moment happen in one of these smaller territories. Get some attention on these smaller companies and bring them up to the same level as NWA SAW or NWA SMW. Why Bruce Tharpe isn't interested in building them up or helping build them up is beyond me. A Parade Of Champions type event in Colorado (NWA-NRW), Michigan (NWA-SEW) or Missouri (NWA Central States) with the talent they're using at the Texas event could be a really big deal for these promotions. Instead, Bruce wants to build Texas where the NWA is already strong.
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Post by josephd32 on Jan 25, 2016 4:22:00 GMT -8
I can answer one reason why the Parade of Champions is in Texas: WrestleMania Weekend.
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Post by nwasmokymtn on Jan 25, 2016 8:52:38 GMT -8
The Parade of Champions event is a IHWE event with several NWA promotions (including myself) sending talent in. Bruce isn't promoting it.
David Fuller is promoting it. He is doing a hell of a job. I think it will be a big event.
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Post by NWA Fanatic on Jan 25, 2016 9:17:31 GMT -8
wOOt wOOt Polejump has finally found this forum and up to the same ol same ol, welcome back!
WrestleMania Weekend is going to be a huge make or break event for the NWA Parade of Champions, hopefully the proper promoting takes place and getting the word out! This can be great exposure for all involved!
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Post by gmellos on Jan 25, 2016 10:02:13 GMT -8
Bruce Tharpe is the man in charge of the National Wrestling Alliance and is the man in charge of promoting his organisation to the masses. A lot of companies pay their 300 USD to join and to use the NWA name but the head honcho doesn't do a whole lot to give them return on their investment. Tharpe receives thousands from these smaller promotions every year so why not start implementing creative ideas to build them up? I came across something recently on Bill Behrens agency website in which Seiya Sanada of TNA fame was offering a deal where promoters would have to pay just 200 dollars to fly him to an event maximum. Sanada was based in Michigan so he could have worked the local Michigan territory and worked some of the smaller companies with Tharpe footing the match fee and the promoters footing the very low flight fee. The Michigan territory of course would get Sanada for free. DO NOT say that Bruce Tharpe could not afford this. He has thousands for new belts, he's doing a Parade Of Champions deal in March with some pretty big "name" guys and I'm sure that NWA Classics footage didn't come cheap either. If you go with the Sanada idea you become a lot more attractive to other potential promotions because the NWA is showing that it cares for it's own and that the 300 gets you more than just the three letters. Sanada could have been great for the local talent and maybe even brought in some people as well. Tharpe could gather his money back with merchandise, seminar, signing fees etc. Apart from paying for a name I think Bruce should just have a big moment happen in one of these smaller territories. Get some attention on these smaller companies and bring them up to the same level as NWA SAW or NWA SMW. Why Bruce Tharpe isn't interested in building them up or helping build them up is beyond me. A Parade Of Champions type event in Colorado (NWA-NRW), Michigan (NWA-SEW) or Missouri (NWA Central States) with the talent they're using at the Texas event could be a really big deal for these promotions. Instead, Bruce wants to build Texas where the NWA is already strong. He spent the 2015 license fees for those belts. He is taped out
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Post by Jay Cal on Jan 25, 2016 11:47:33 GMT -8
Bruce Tharpe is the man in charge of the National Wrestling Alliance and is the man in charge of promoting his organisation to the masses. A lot of companies pay their 300 USD to join and to use the NWA name but the head honcho doesn't do a whole lot to give them return on their investment. Tharpe receives thousands from these smaller promotions every year so why not start implementing creative ideas to build them up? I came across something recently on Bill Behrens agency website in which Seiya Sanada of TNA fame was offering a deal where promoters would have to pay just 200 dollars to fly him to an event maximum. Sanada was based in Michigan so he could have worked the local Michigan territory and worked some of the smaller companies with Tharpe footing the match fee and the promoters footing the very low flight fee. The Michigan territory of course would get Sanada for free. DO NOT say that Bruce Tharpe could not afford this. He has thousands for new belts, he's doing a Parade Of Champions deal in March with some pretty big "name" guys and I'm sure that NWA Classics footage didn't come cheap either. If you go with the Sanada idea you become a lot more attractive to other potential promotions because the NWA is showing that it cares for it's own and that the 300 gets you more than just the three letters. Sanada could have been great for the local talent and maybe even brought in some people as well. Tharpe could gather his money back with merchandise, seminar, signing fees etc. Apart from paying for a name I think Bruce should just have a big moment happen in one of these smaller territories. Get some attention on these smaller companies and bring them up to the same level as NWA SAW or NWA SMW. Why Bruce Tharpe isn't interested in building them up or helping build them up is beyond me. A Parade Of Champions type event in Colorado (NWA-NRW), Michigan (NWA-SEW) or Missouri (NWA Central States) with the talent they're using at the Texas event could be a really big deal for these promotions. Instead, Bruce wants to build Texas where the NWA is already strong. To be fair, the older regimes didn't do much to help the newer guys as well. I think what you get out of the NWA is what you put into it. Marquez was widely considered successful, because he brought a hell of a lot of tenacity and know how to get results. Anyone who joins the NWA and expects similar results without the hard work and technical skills, well... they are definitely wasting their time and money. You don't really know what Bruce is paying or making off this belt deal. Plus, the guy is trying to make a living too. You can't really speak about the Parade of Champions deal either, because it is more seemingly the local promotion who is putting it together and I'm sure they've got quite a bit of sponsorship money coming in too. I agree, that for that price range, a few promoters should have worked together to get Sanada a few dates. And the NWA Parade of Champions event is taking place Wrestlemania Weekend. If Wrestlemania ever is in Colorado or Michigan again, I'd bet that those NWA promotions would be very interested in running a big show, which could feature the major players in the NWA. Bruce Tharpe is the man in charge of the National Wrestling Alliance and is the man in charge of promoting his organisation to the masses. A lot of companies pay their 300 USD to join and to use the NWA name but the head honcho doesn't do a whole lot to give them return on their investment. Tharpe receives thousands from these smaller promotions every year so why not start implementing creative ideas to build them up? I came across something recently on Bill Behrens agency website in which Seiya Sanada of TNA fame was offering a deal where promoters would have to pay just 200 dollars to fly him to an event maximum. Sanada was based in Michigan so he could have worked the local Michigan territory and worked some of the smaller companies with Tharpe footing the match fee and the promoters footing the very low flight fee. The Michigan territory of course would get Sanada for free. DO NOT say that Bruce Tharpe could not afford this. He has thousands for new belts, he's doing a Parade Of Champions deal in March with some pretty big "name" guys and I'm sure that NWA Classics footage didn't come cheap either. If you go with the Sanada idea you become a lot more attractive to other potential promotions because the NWA is showing that it cares for it's own and that the 300 gets you more than just the three letters. Sanada could have been great for the local talent and maybe even brought in some people as well. Tharpe could gather his money back with merchandise, seminar, signing fees etc. Apart from paying for a name I think Bruce should just have a big moment happen in one of these smaller territories. Get some attention on these smaller companies and bring them up to the same level as NWA SAW or NWA SMW. Why Bruce Tharpe isn't interested in building them up or helping build them up is beyond me. A Parade Of Champions type event in Colorado (NWA-NRW), Michigan (NWA-SEW) or Missouri (NWA Central States) with the talent they're using at the Texas event could be a really big deal for these promotions. Instead, Bruce wants to build Texas where the NWA is already strong. He spent the 2015 license fees for those belts. He is taped out That's not fair. We don't know what he paid for those belts.
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Post by dkm on Jan 25, 2016 13:33:44 GMT -8
At least come up with new things to bitch about.
It's a promoters job to get themselves over. If they want value for their $300 or $500 or whatever its up to them, nobody held a gun to their head and made them join the NWA, and as for Mr. Brooklyn's favorite quote, if they are stupid enough to pay the money without a plan to take advantage of it, then yeah, take their money.
Unless promoters are sending the NWA stuff for the website, Facebook, or Twitter and its not being put up they have nothing to gripe about.
To tell you the honest truth, since I don't watch TNA except about once a year to see if it's gotten any better (it hasn't) I have no idea who Sanada is.
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Post by gmellos on Jan 25, 2016 15:23:32 GMT -8
He spent the 2015 license fees for those belts. He is taped out That's not fair. We don't know what he paid for those belts. Why you have to ruin my Trolling Jay In all seriousness changing your belt design when you are essentially a mom and pop operation is silly unless the belts are damaged or their designed is ridiculously stupid like that old Women's belt.
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Post by Jay Cal on Jan 25, 2016 15:41:44 GMT -8
Or... you got an incredible deal to produce new ones.
We don't know the circumstances and its irresponsible to assume otherwise. If the NWA was given or even had the price greatly reduced, why wouldn't they jump at the opportunity to get new belts. They look great.
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Post by MrWood on Jan 25, 2016 23:14:00 GMT -8
I can confirm that the belt scenario is something we at Fight Nation negotiated favourably for the NWA, it is certainly not making a financial dent in our brand.
As Tony said David Fuller is running an IWHE event and has graciously branded it the NWA Parade of Champions and promotions are contributing talent to the show. I am sure it will be a great success.
On the subject of bringing bigger talents in I am hoping to be able to bring you more news regarding FIGHT! NATION and our continued growth into 2016.
Our champion 'The Villain' Marty Scurll is picking up plaudits across the wrestling world at the moment and long may that continue.
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Post by dody on Jan 25, 2016 23:49:46 GMT -8
I can confirm that the belt scenario is something we at Fight Nation negotiated favourably for the NWA, it is certainly not making a financial dent in our brand. As Tony said David Fuller is running an IWHE event and has graciously branded it the NWA Parade of Champions and promotions are contributing talent to the show. I am sure it will be a great success. On the subject of bringing bigger talents in I am hoping to be able to bring you more news regarding FIGHT! NATION and our continued growth into 2016. Our champion 'The Villain' Marty Scurll is picking up plaudits across the wrestling world at the moment and long may that continue. Really looking forward to your growth.
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Post by dkm on Jan 26, 2016 7:11:01 GMT -8
I can confirm that the belt scenario is something we at Fight Nation negotiated favourably for the NWA, it is certainly not making a financial dent in our brand. As Tony said David Fuller is running an IWHE event and has graciously branded it the NWA Parade of Champions and promotions are contributing talent to the show. I am sure it will be a great success. On the subject of bringing bigger talents in I am hoping to be able to bring you more news regarding FIGHT! NATION and our continued growth into 2016. Our champion 'The Villain' Marty Scurll is picking up plaudits across the wrestling world at the moment and long may that continue. Awesome
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Post by MKCS on Jan 27, 2016 2:55:21 GMT -8
At least come up with new things to bitch about. It's a promoters job to get themselves over. If they want value for their $300 or $500 or whatever its up to them, nobody held a gun to their head and made them join the NWA, and as for Mr. Brooklyn's favorite quote, if they are stupid enough to pay the money without a plan to take advantage of it, then yeah, take their money. Unless promoters are sending the NWA stuff for the website, Facebook, or Twitter and its not being put up they have nothing to gripe about. To tell you the honest truth, since I don't watch TNA except about once a year to see if it's gotten any better (it hasn't) I have no idea who Sanada is. If I buy a McDonald's franchise is it my job to make the McDonald's brand successful or do I buy into the brand knowing that the McDonald's brand is already successful? The whole idea of paying money to be apart of a franchise is either for assistance, publicity or both. The NWA offers neither. McDonald's and the NWA are clearly different but the NWA still has some value in professional wrestling and it's the job of the people (person?) in charge to continue to build the NWA name and to make the memberships attractive for perspective buyers. I'm not suggesting that they HAD to use Sanada but it would have been nice wouldn't it? I've been making this suggestion for years to you guys but what about an NWA Ambassador that each promoter gets one appearance a year from for free? An NWA Legend comes to town and the youngsters get to do a seminar (Money back for the NWA) whilst the fans get to do a meet and greet (Again, money back to the NWA). It's basically the role that Bruce Tharpe currently has for tons of these promoters so why not give the promoters something worthwhile? As for who Seiya Sanada actually is. Well, admittedly he's not a huge star but he's a talented individual and is a former TNA X-Division Champion. He's is (was?) the ace of Wrestle-1 in Japan and he's a big enough name to attract the IWC. Something like Owens/Sanada could have been a big deal for one of these smaller companies. You then look at the advantages of seminars (Where Sanada can teach what Muta taught him) and the money spent is definitely worth it.
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Post by Jay Cal on Jan 27, 2016 6:46:49 GMT -8
At least come up with new things to bitch about. It's a promoters job to get themselves over. If they want value for their $300 or $500 or whatever its up to them, nobody held a gun to their head and made them join the NWA, and as for Mr. Brooklyn's favorite quote, if they are stupid enough to pay the money without a plan to take advantage of it, then yeah, take their money. Unless promoters are sending the NWA stuff for the website, Facebook, or Twitter and its not being put up they have nothing to gripe about. To tell you the honest truth, since I don't watch TNA except about once a year to see if it's gotten any better (it hasn't) I have no idea who Sanada is. If I buy a McDonald's franchise is it my job to make the McDonald's brand successful or do I buy into the brand knowing that the McDonald's brand is already successful? The whole idea of paying money to be apart of a franchise is either for assistance, publicity or both. The NWA offers neither. McDonald's and the NWA are clearly different but the NWA still has some value in professional wrestling and it's the job of the people (person?) in charge to continue to build the NWA name and to make the memberships attractive for perspective buyers. I'm not suggesting that they HAD to use Sanada but it would have been nice wouldn't it? I've been making this suggestion for years to you guys but what about an NWA Ambassador that each promoter gets one appearance a year from for free? An NWA Legend comes to town and the youngsters get to do a seminar (Money back for the NWA) whilst the fans get to do a meet and greet (Again, money back to the NWA). It's basically the role that Bruce Tharpe currently has for tons of these promoters so why not give the promoters something worthwhile? As for who Seiya Sanada actually is. Well, admittedly he's not a huge star but he's a talented individual and is a former TNA X-Division Champion. He's is (was?) the ace of Wrestle-1 in Japan and he's a big enough name to attract the IWC. Something like Owens/Sanada could have been a big deal for one of these smaller companies. You then look at the advantages of seminars (Where Sanada can teach what Muta taught him) and the money spent is definitely worth it. Your comparison is flawed. If the WWE were offering franchises, then you might have a case. But the NWA isn't the top Wrestling Entity in the World. They're not the top Wrestling Entity in the United States. Hell, they aren't even the top wrestling entity in their home state of Texas, but with Smoky Mtn, Throwback, and SAW, they might be the biggest thing in Tennessee. Could Bruce do more for the members... absolutely. But you know what I haven't heard, any promoter complaining about what the NWA is doing/has done for them. With that regard, the NWA hasn't changed much with the different ownership. And I don't believe anyone is stopping anybody else from working together, promoting synergy... it just has to make sense, the right pieces have to fit. Now, if I were Bruce. I'd effort to work with a printing company to produce shirts, banners, posters, etc at a discount for licensees. I'd also effort to work with a graphic design group, to help with the business of creating logos, t-shirts, etc. And NWA Fight Nation could probably speak to this, but make the deal with Leather Rebel to maybe offer discounts to the NWA. But again, the NWA has always been more of a what can you do for me situation andd I don't think that is a big secret. The NWA isn't McDonalds. The NWA operates more like a hotel franchise in that you get a name and a bunch of restrictions. The name is familiar and people will stay at the hotel based on the name alone. That's it.
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Post by MKCS on Jan 27, 2016 12:01:26 GMT -8
Regardless, you name me another franchise that offers nothing. With the hotels you'd generally have a support system in place where someone who might have limited knowledge on the hotel business has someone guiding them or mentoring them on how things are done and the name probably holds some value.
Regardless, it's not the franchises job to build the name up. It's the NWA's job to build their name up and they don't really do that unless you count Japan.
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