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Post by oldschoolcorino on Feb 7, 2019 14:31:15 GMT -8
Mack vs. Rhett Titus for national title at ROH Bound by Honor tv taping Feb 9 in Lakeland, FL.
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Post by longtimewrasslinfan on Feb 15, 2019 18:14:20 GMT -8
The matches I’ve been able to see with Mack, whether CWFH, Impact, or LU, have sold me on his talent.
The dude has truly impressed me.
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Post by oldschoolcorino on Feb 21, 2019 6:55:51 GMT -8
Mack vs Jay Bradley on this weeks episode of CWFH.
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Post by Fred Richards on Feb 21, 2019 10:41:14 GMT -8
Mack's talent and that of my friend Rhett Titus cannot be denied. I have worked with both of them and admire their professionalism.
This thread is another clear testimonial to Billy Corgan's non-commitment to the NWA brand. So many title defenses on cards promoted by non-NWA companies.
A "pop-up" or anniversary show is not a commitment to the brand. What AEW is doing is a commitment.
The probability of the NWA rising from the grave is nil. Corgan and his very limited staff can tease all they want - actions are what counts.
Again, I am happy to be able to enjoy the talents of Rodney and others. But the title around their waste - outside of being a testimonial to their ringsmanship - is a fraud.
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Post by Stunning Steve Thermo on Feb 21, 2019 19:15:26 GMT -8
So why do you care about the NWA then and why criticize it when it is clearly shown that you are a hopeful and wishful employee wannabee of AEW. If you don't like the NWA then you don't belong here.
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Post by legacy on Feb 22, 2019 1:14:37 GMT -8
Mack's talent and that of my friend Rhett Titus cannot be denied. I have worked with both of them and admire their professionalism. This thread is another clear testimonial to Billy Corgan's non-commitment to the NWA brand. So many title defenses on cards promoted by non-NWA companies. A "pop-up" or anniversary show is not a commitment to the brand. What AEW is doing is a commitment. The probability of the NWA rising from the grave is nil. Corgan and his very limited staff can tease all they want - actions are what counts. Again, I am happy to be able to enjoy the talents of Rodney and others. But the title around their waste - outside of being a testimonial to their ringsmanship - is a fraud. What is AEW doing? Seems to me they signed a bunch of guys to obsurb amounts of money and have yet to put on a show....thats commitment to waiting money thus far. AEW is operating in the red. Prove me wrong, and don't even mention them selling out some show that isn't being held for another month or 2. They had to buy new rings, sign talent, and book arenas and oh yeah, don't forget the insurance bill they will now carry. AEW won't turn a profit worth mentioning until they have consistent shows weekly or biweekly-monthly with a TV Deal. NWA isn't a fraud, they haven't claimed to be bigger than they are. Sick of people complaining about the NWA current. Want it to change? Go buy it from Corgan and show us what you got
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Post by Fred Richards on Feb 22, 2019 5:28:13 GMT -8
So why do you care about the NWA then and why criticize it when it is clearly shown that you are a hopeful and wishful employee wannabee of AEW. If you don't like the NWA then you don't belong here. I'm here because I choose to be here. Understand? "Clearly shown..." God help the defendant if you are ever seated on a jury! Stating one's opinion is just that - an opinion. And if someone disagrees with what they read, those with enough maturity to change their underwear daily and flush the toilet after defecating can rebut or discuss with facts - not resort to cheap, infantile vilification and conclusions. Get something straight, youngster - I go where I feel like going. I don't need your blessing or permission. And if you don't like it, I could care less. And - - for the record - - I liked the NWA when it was the NWA. So you keep holding your water waiting for the ghost of Sam Muchnik, Fred Kohler or Willie Gilzenberg - - some of the people who built the NWA and had a cohesive vision and successful business strategy. What remains today is a farce. Something that shills and marks buy into because they can't see or deal with the truth. The real NWA was a promotion that controlled its business with an iron hand. They understood exclusivity and control of their employees. And that is why they grew and prospered until the chronic infighting blew it all to hell. What followed was a charade, a farce, a masquerade where people lost ten dollars for every quarter they made. They were stuck in the past and lacked either the brains or the balls to free themselves. You want to live it vicariously through YouTube and piggybacking on other company's shows? - - fine, that's your choice. Corgan allegedly purchased the brand and it's his playtoy to do with as he pleases. But to validate what he is or is not doing as a "rebirth of the NWA" is intellectually preposterous and a sad commentary on those who do so. AEW, ROH and a few others that actually make money and not engage in online camouflage telling everyone about their 400th or 500th show but, at the same time, live a lifestyle that does not speak to reasonable prosperity depend on "marks" to drink their kool-aid - - and there is one born every minute. Rodney and others have zero loyalty to a once-great brand, kid. Every booking is a payday and nothing more - - wake up and see the light. Get out of fantasyland and see life for what it is. And if the NWA belt gets Rodney or others bookings - they will wear it. Hell, they would wear the championship of the Mickey Mouse Club if it earned them money.
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Post by Fred Richards on Feb 22, 2019 5:32:46 GMT -8
What is AEW doing? Seems to me they signed a bunch of guys to obsurb amounts of money and have yet to put on a show....thats commitment to waiting money thus far. AEW is operating in the red. Prove me wrong, and don't even mention them selling out some show that isn't being held for another month or 2. They had to buy new rings, sign talent, and book arenas and oh yeah, don't forget the insurance bill they will now carry. AEW won't turn a profit worth mentioning until they have consistent shows weekly or biweekly-monthly with a TV Deal. NWA isn't a fraud, they haven't claimed to be bigger than they are. Sick of people complaining about the NWA current. Want it to change? Go buy it from Corgan and show us what you got Buy the NWA from Corgan? Hell, I wonder what he would charge for a mere handful of air? Yes, you (somewhat) hit on AEW's strategy thus far - Bravo! So what is the strategy of Corgan and Company? Yeah, pop-ups (whatever the devil that means) and what else? Very, very little. Rome was built in less time then it's taking the Corgan-owned NWA to show itself. Sick of people complaining? Perhaps others are sick and tired of laughing at people who walk around and take to keyboards while they have their heads in the clouds. Dream on...
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Post by Stunning Steve Thermo on Feb 22, 2019 15:47:25 GMT -8
So why do you care about the NWA then and why criticize it when it is clearly shown that you are a hopeful and wishful employee wannabee of AEW. If you don't like the NWA then you don't belong here. I'm here because I choose to be here. Understand? "Clearly shown..." God help the defendant if you are ever seated on a jury! Stating one's opinion is just that - an opinion. And if someone disagrees with what they read, those with enough maturity to change their underwear daily and flush the toilet after defecating can rebut or discuss with facts - not resort to cheap, infantile vilification and conclusions. Get something straight, youngster - I go where I feel like going. I don't need your blessing or permission. And if you don't like it, I could care less. And - - for the record - - I liked the NWA when it was the NWA. So you keep holding your water waiting for the ghost of Sam Muchnik, Fred Kohler or Willie Gilzenberg - - some of the people who built the NWA and had a cohesive vision and successful business strategy. What remains today is a farce. Something that shills and marks buy into because they can't see or deal with the truth. The real NWA was a promotion that controlled its business with an iron hand. They understood exclusivity and control of their employees. And that is why they grew and prospered until the chronic infighting blew it all to hell. What followed was a charade, a farce, a masquerade where people lost ten dollars for every quarter they made. They were stuck in the past and lacked either the brains or the balls to free themselves. You want to live it vicariously through YouTube and piggybacking on other company's shows? - - fine, that's your choice. Corgan allegedly purchased the brand and it's his playtoy to do with as he pleases. But to validate what he is or is not doing as a "rebirth of the NWA" is intellectually preposterous and a sad commentary on those who do so. AEW, ROH and a few others that actually make money and not engage in online camouflage telling everyone about their 400th or 500th show but, at the same time, live a lifestyle that does not speak to reasonable prosperity depend on "marks" to drink their kool-aid - - and there is one born every minute. Rodney and others have zero loyalty to a once-great brand, kid. Every booking is a payday and nothing more - - wake up and see the light. Get out of fantasyland and see life for what it is. And if the NWA belt gets Rodney or others bookings - they will wear it. Hell, they would wear the championship of the Mickey Mouse Club if it earned them money. BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH. Why do you go soliciatate yourself to AEW. All you do is complained about the NWA. Talking statistics and comparing ROH and others to the NWA. Yes I will say that Corgan and Lagana should hire more people that are in the business and who have been in the business for a long time. Old Time stop comparing your glory days and how you think things should be be according to you.
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Post by dkm on Feb 22, 2019 16:11:09 GMT -8
I'm here because I choose to be here. Understand? "Clearly shown..." God help the defendant if you are ever seated on a jury! Stating one's opinion is just that - an opinion. And if someone disagrees with what they read, those with enough maturity to change their underwear daily and flush the toilet after defecating can rebut or discuss with facts - not resort to cheap, infantile vilification and conclusions. Get something straight, youngster - I go where I feel like going. I don't need your blessing or permission. And if you don't like it, I could care less. And - - for the record - - I liked the NWA when it was the NWA. So you keep holding your water waiting for the ghost of Sam Muchnik, Fred Kohler or Willie Gilzenberg - - some of the people who built the NWA and had a cohesive vision and successful business strategy. What remains today is a farce. Something that shills and marks buy into because they can't see or deal with the truth. The real NWA was a promotion that controlled its business with an iron hand. They understood exclusivity and control of their employees. And that is why they grew and prospered until the chronic infighting blew it all to hell. What followed was a charade, a farce, a masquerade where people lost ten dollars for every quarter they made. They were stuck in the past and lacked either the brains or the balls to free themselves. You want to live it vicariously through YouTube and piggybacking on other company's shows? - - fine, that's your choice. Corgan allegedly purchased the brand and it's his playtoy to do with as he pleases. But to validate what he is or is not doing as a "rebirth of the NWA" is intellectually preposterous and a sad commentary on those who do so. AEW, ROH and a few others that actually make money and not engage in online camouflage telling everyone about their 400th or 500th show but, at the same time, live a lifestyle that does not speak to reasonable prosperity depend on "marks" to drink their kool-aid - - and there is one born every minute. Rodney and others have zero loyalty to a once-great brand, kid. Every booking is a payday and nothing more - - wake up and see the light. Get out of fantasyland and see life for what it is. And if the NWA belt gets Rodney or others bookings - they will wear it. Hell, they would wear the championship of the Mickey Mouse Club if it earned them money. BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH. Why do you go soliciatate yourself to AEW. All you do is complained about the NWA. Talking statistics and comparing ROH and others to the NWA. Yes I will say that Corgan and Lagana should hire more people that are in the business and who have been in the business for a long time. Old Time stop comparing your glory days and how you think things should be be according to you. Stop. Express your opinions and move on.
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Post by legacy on Feb 23, 2019 1:43:02 GMT -8
What is AEW doing? Seems to me they signed a bunch of guys to obsurb amounts of money and have yet to put on a show....thats commitment to waiting money thus far. AEW is operating in the red. Prove me wrong, and don't even mention them selling out some show that isn't being held for another month or 2. They had to buy new rings, sign talent, and book arenas and oh yeah, don't forget the insurance bill they will now carry. AEW won't turn a profit worth mentioning until they have consistent shows weekly or biweekly-monthly with a TV Deal. NWA isn't a fraud, they haven't claimed to be bigger than they are. Sick of people complaining about the NWA current. Want it to change? Go buy it from Corgan and show us what you got Buy the NWA from Corgan? Hell, I wonder what he would charge for a mere handful of air? Yes, you (somewhat) hit on AEW's strategy thus far - Bravo! So what is the strategy of Corgan and Company? Yeah, pop-ups (whatever the devil that means) and what else? Very, very little. Rome was built in less time then it's taking the Corgan-owned NWA to show itself. Sick of people complaining? Perhaps others are sick and tired of laughing at people who walk around and take to keyboards while they have their heads in the clouds. Dream on... You are the one with your head in the clouds, You are the one who believes that wrestling could ever be as popular as it once was. The reality is that with all the MMA outlets, wrestling is now the ugly step sister to the UFC and Bellator. Then you must take into account the state of the NWA when Corgan purchased it. Again it was operating in the red and not turning a profit. There are so many wrestling options now compared to the hay day you invision to still be possible. Back when my grandfather was in his prime, sure there was tv coverage in small areas but no national shows. You followed News Letters and hoped the top talent would make a stop in your territory. So if you think Corgan is going to sign talent to exclusive deals to do something like that, that's not fesable. The old NWA territories as they were, paid the NWA to use the name and the chance to book the big champions for weeks at a time to draw an auidence. Even if that were possible, which it's not, the reality is WWE and WCW put a lot of people out of business and there just aren't enough independent promotions that could even afford to pay for the name. It wouldn't be good to their bottom line which now a days means more than ever. Let's face it, unless you have some financial backer who is willing to loose several million a year for the first 3 to 4 years and gamble that in hopes that a MAJOR tv network picks them up, the NWA haydays are dead. Now if your saying pick one area to run their shows and have talent booked similar to RHO or even ECW, it could be done but you know RHO doesn't even have exclusive deals. Their deals allow them to wrestle just about anywhere so long as it isn't TNA or WWE. So you wouldn't have exclusive deals like your hoping for, which would would always keep any tv network to committing to you due to instability in the company. Your expectation of what NWA could be is unrealistic, and sure some of us are happy to just see some champions wrestling matches but I would rather believe in something small and hope for something better than to not appreciate anything and run it into the mud every chance I get. I'll say it again, you think you know and could do better, prove it. Toss some money in the pot and have some direction and control in the NWA's future. Then let me know how easy it would be. AEW exists not because of the money. It exists because some of the Indy's finest wrestlers got together and decided to start their own company and convinced a billionaire who knows nothing about wrestling to open his wallet. Talk about a toy. Corgan bought a name because he is passionate about wrestling, he never said "we're coming after you WWE" or even "It will be just like the good old days" I believe his whole idea was to try to change the culture. So far, we have a world champion who is defending the title around the world, A women's champion who is believable and respected, and a National Champion who has recognition throughout the industry. What is there to complain about. I don't often give out advice but for you I'll make an exception, If you don't like swimming, stop coming to the pool!
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Post by oldschoolcorino on Feb 23, 2019 4:53:01 GMT -8
Wow, this thread got ugly!
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Post by Fred Richards on Feb 23, 2019 14:22:45 GMT -8
Buy the NWA from Corgan? Hell, I wonder what he would charge for a mere handful of air? Yes, you (somewhat) hit on AEW's strategy thus far - Bravo! So what is the strategy of Corgan and Company? Yeah, pop-ups (whatever the devil that means) and what else? Very, very little. Rome was built in less time then it's taking the Corgan-owned NWA to show itself. Sick of people complaining? Perhaps others are sick and tired of laughing at people who walk around and take to keyboards while they have their heads in the clouds. Dream on... You are the one with your head in the clouds, You are the one who believes that wrestling could ever be as popular as it once was. The reality is that with all the MMA outlets, wrestling is now the ugly step sister to the UFC and Bellator. Then you must take into account the state of the NWA when Corgan purchased it. Again it was operating in the red and not turning a profit. There are so many wrestling options now compared to the hay day you invision to still be possible. Back when my grandfather was in his prime, sure there was tv coverage in small areas but no national shows. You followed News Letters and hoped the top talent would make a stop in your territory. So if you think Corgan is going to sign talent to exclusive deals to do something like that, that's not fesable. The old NWA territories as they were, paid the NWA to use the name and the chance to book the big champions for weeks at a time to draw an auidence. Even if that were possible, which it's not, the reality is WWE and WCW put a lot of people out of business and there just aren't enough independent promotions that could even afford to pay for the name. It wouldn't be good to their bottom line which now a days means more than ever. Let's face it, unless you have some financial backer who is willing to loose several million a year for the first 3 to 4 years and gamble that in hopes that a MAJOR tv network picks them up, the NWA haydays are dead. Now if your saying pick one area to run their shows and have talent booked similar to RHO or even ECW, it could be done but you know RHO doesn't even have exclusive deals. Their deals allow them to wrestle just about anywhere so long as it isn't TNA or WWE. So you wouldn't have exclusive deals like your hoping for, which would would always keep any tv network to committing to you due to instability in the company. Your expectation of what NWA could be is unrealistic, and sure some of us are happy to just see some champions wrestling matches but I would rather believe in something small and hope for something better than to not appreciate anything and run it into the mud every chance I get. I'll say it again, you think you know and could do better, prove it. Toss some money in the pot and have some direction and control in the NWA's future. Then let me know how easy it would be. AEW exists not because of the money. It exists because some of the Indy's finest wrestlers got together and decided to start their own company and convinced a billionaire who knows nothing about wrestling to open his wallet. Talk about a toy. Corgan bought a name because he is passionate about wrestling, he never said "we're coming after you WWE" or even "It will be just like the good old days" I believe his whole idea was to try to change the culture. So far, we have a world champion who is defending the title around the world, A women's champion who is believable and respected, and a National Champion who has recognition throughout the industry. What is there to complain about. I don't often give out advice but for you I'll make an exception, If you don't like swimming, stop coming to the pool! Thanks Legacy, I needed a laugh. "Legacy"? It is obvious you know little about the true legacy of the NWA brand. Tell your audience, how much money have YOU ever put at-risk promoting or otherwise backing an NWA card? Please do tell us. Do you know if I promoted? Do you know if I ever had a major financial stake in this brand? Your knee jerk, angry reactionary comments answer that you don't have a clue. Accolades of any sort to what Corgan has done (or failed to do) since taking ownership are absurd. Tell me, when is the next NWA card - not a piggyback, a 100% NWA show? When will they unveil a website? You miss the point by a country mile. Simply turning your back as independent contractors get themselves booked on another brand's show is not promoting. No ongoing angles. No heat. Nothing except a spot appearance by guys and/or gals who are earning a payday. Hell, they can't even leave advertising flyers on seats for the NWA - - because the NWA doesn't work the country with shows on any businesslike basis. I love swimming. And I don't sink to the bottom like you have on this thread. And if you do swim - - don't Swim With Piranhas.
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Post by Fred Richards on Feb 23, 2019 14:24:01 GMT -8
Wow, this thread got ugly! Spirited!
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Post by Fred Richards on Feb 23, 2019 14:39:17 GMT -8
I'm here because I choose to be here. Understand? "Clearly shown..." God help the defendant if you are ever seated on a jury! Stating one's opinion is just that - an opinion. And if someone disagrees with what they read, those with enough maturity to change their underwear daily and flush the toilet after defecating can rebut or discuss with facts - not resort to cheap, infantile vilification and conclusions. Get something straight, youngster - I go where I feel like going. I don't need your blessing or permission. And if you don't like it, I could care less. And - - for the record - - I liked the NWA when it was the NWA. So you keep holding your water waiting for the ghost of Sam Muchnik, Fred Kohler or Willie Gilzenberg - - some of the people who built the NWA and had a cohesive vision and successful business strategy. What remains today is a farce. Something that shills and marks buy into because they can't see or deal with the truth. The real NWA was a promotion that controlled its business with an iron hand. They understood exclusivity and control of their employees. And that is why they grew and prospered until the chronic infighting blew it all to hell. What followed was a charade, a farce, a masquerade where people lost ten dollars for every quarter they made. They were stuck in the past and lacked either the brains or the balls to free themselves. You want to live it vicariously through YouTube and piggybacking on other company's shows? - - fine, that's your choice. Corgan allegedly purchased the brand and it's his playtoy to do with as he pleases. But to validate what he is or is not doing as a "rebirth of the NWA" is intellectually preposterous and a sad commentary on those who do so. AEW, ROH and a few others that actually make money and not engage in online camouflage telling everyone about their 400th or 500th show but, at the same time, live a lifestyle that does not speak to reasonable prosperity depend on "marks" to drink their kool-aid - - and there is one born every minute. Rodney and others have zero loyalty to a once-great brand, kid. Every booking is a payday and nothing more - - wake up and see the light. Get out of fantasyland and see life for what it is. And if the NWA belt gets Rodney or others bookings - they will wear it. Hell, they would wear the championship of the Mickey Mouse Club if it earned them money. BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH. Why do you go soliciatate yourself to AEW. All you do is complained about the NWA. Talking statistics and comparing ROH and others to the NWA. Yes I will say that Corgan and Lagana should hire more people that are in the business and who have been in the business for a long time. Old Time stop comparing your glory days and how you think things should be be according to you. Your comments are surely "stunning." Let's see "old time" and "tradition." Sound like synonyms to me (look "synonym" up, Steve). Nowhere did I mention my supposed "glory days," did I, sonny? Your defense of Corgan is pitiful. What can you point to, Steve? What has he done that is tangible? You could fit it on the head of a pin. You know that - - unless you are conveniently blind. Okay Stunning Steve, we'll give you a shot at it. Instead of being a vilifying reactionary, why don't YOU start a thread on this website. Show the audience how Stunning Steve would build a serious promotion. C'mon Stunning Steve, you can do it. Or can you???
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