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Post by MKCS on Nov 24, 2019 12:25:10 GMT -8
Lagana is trying to save face. He much like most normal people probably heard the comment and wasn't offended by it.
It's a hungry joke not a racial joke. Cornette said on his podcast he's been telling the joke for 30 years with no problems.
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Post by shawn on Nov 24, 2019 14:38:13 GMT -8
I told Jay Cal on the pre show " I hope Lagana doesn't get burn out " because he is doing everything mostly by himself. I believe the fatigued angle, why not?
I understand and respect every point of view but Cornette leaving is the best result for all parties involved.
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Post by dkm on Nov 25, 2019 14:30:45 GMT -8
I find it ironic that those who blame cancel culture for Cornette's removal are now boycotting the NWA. My issue isn't Cornette no longer being on the show, my issue is how this was all handled and how Lagana has taken no personal responsibility and only made excuses for himself while twice being quick to "issue statements" and throw Cornette under the bus to appease a group that most likely don't watch the show anyway. I have a hard time supporting a person who does that. That simple.
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Post by dkm on Nov 25, 2019 14:31:46 GMT -8
1998 and 2019 are different worlds. There wasn't social media in 1998. Which doesn't mean today society's is better. I find it worse.
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Post by Jay Cal on Nov 26, 2019 11:43:32 GMT -8
I find it ironic that those who blame cancel culture for Cornette's removal are now boycotting the NWA. My issue isn't Cornette no longer being on the show, my issue is how this was all handled and how Lagana has taken no personal responsibility and only made excuses for himself while twice being quick to "issue statements" and throw Cornette under the bus to appease a group that most likely don't watch the show anyway. I have a hard time supporting a person who does that. That simple. I get it. Some people don't eat at Chick-Fil-A because of the support that they give the anti-LGBTQ community. I'm not trying to force anyone into doing anything that makes them feel uncomfortable. But if people would refuse to watch the show based on what Cornette said, some people who support Cornette have called those folks "snowflakes."
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Post by Maineiac on Nov 27, 2019 8:20:07 GMT -8
If Cornettes comments were so offensive that he had to be removed, how in the hell did WWE not only survive the attitude era in the mainstream on a major cable network with corporate sponsorship but thrive on being over the top "offensive" and at times outright disgusting? I guess if you throw enough money behind it that it makes alot of corporate money it is not "offensive". It was a different time for sure. People weren't as soft as they are today. The internet was still very young and everyone didn't seem to be too offended by everything. WWE has tried throwing in some "attitude" over the last couple years and when they do (even though fans have been wanting it) you have those small but loud crowd that will cry oh that's too much, we can't handle this. So no matter what, you'll have that small portion of people (even if they don't watch it) will cry and moan and make their voices heard. You have so many people that are blindly lead.
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Post by Maineiac on Nov 27, 2019 8:22:30 GMT -8
I find it ironic that those who blame cancel culture for Cornette's removal are now boycotting the NWA. My issue isn't Cornette no longer being on the show, my issue is how this was all handled and how Lagana has taken no personal responsibility and only made excuses for himself while twice being quick to "issue statements" and throw Cornette under the bus to appease a group that most likely don't watch the show anyway. I have a hard time supporting a person who does that. That simple. They pulled the show, they edited the show, they sent out a memo apologizing for the comments made by Cornette. Cornette resigned, what more does the NWA need to do? It's time to move on...
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Nov 27, 2019 13:16:21 GMT -8
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Post by dkm on Nov 27, 2019 13:16:21 GMT -8
My issue isn't Cornette no longer being on the show, my issue is how this was all handled and how Lagana has taken no personal responsibility and only made excuses for himself while twice being quick to "issue statements" and throw Cornette under the bus to appease a group that most likely don't watch the show anyway. I have a hard time supporting a person who does that. That simple. They pulled the show, they edited the show, they sent out a memo apologizing for the comments made by Cornette. Cornette resigned, what more does the NWA need to do? It's time to move on... Not sure which side you think I fall.
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Nov 27, 2019 13:25:25 GMT -8
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Post by dkm on Nov 27, 2019 13:25:25 GMT -8
My issue isn't Cornette no longer being on the show, my issue is how this was all handled and how Lagana has taken no personal responsibility and only made excuses for himself while twice being quick to "issue statements" and throw Cornette under the bus to appease a group that most likely don't watch the show anyway. I have a hard time supporting a person who does that. That simple. I get it. Some people don't eat at Chick-Fil-A because of the support that they give the anti-LGBTQ community. I'm not trying to force anyone into doing anything that makes them feel uncomfortable. But if people would refuse to watch the show based on what Cornette said, some people who support Cornette have called those folks "snowflakes." Not quiet the same thing.
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Post by Jay Cal on Nov 27, 2019 14:32:41 GMT -8
Smarten me up.
If your decision is to not support a product based on how they conduct their business, then I'd say it's identical.
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Post by dkm on Nov 30, 2019 18:58:10 GMT -8
Smarten me up. If your decision is to not support a product based on how they conduct their business, then I'd say it's identical. Sorry but that is a Straw Man Fallacy. Chick-Fil-A is open about what they support. You can buy from them or not and when challenged on what they support they don't waver. In this case the NWA did not support their worker for a mistake that they were more responsible for than he was and it wasn't the first time. Representatives of there brand then bad mouthed fans who protested this action using very similar words to you. If you can't understand the difference between a honest misjudgment and real racism, or worse, intentionally exaggerated because you have a vendetta against a man who doesn't agree with you about wrestling of all the unimportant things in the world then you are a snowflake and a complete fraud. In my opinion, if you are a leader and let a subordinate take the fall for your mistake while you make excuses for your actions to appease a group that most likely doesn't consume your product, then you don't deserve support. One big difference here, my opinion is personal to me. Unlike the cancel culture I did not threaten to stop watching unless I got my way, I don't care if other people continue to watch. I explained my position on the podcast and here and I'm done now. My last public comment on the issue.
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Post by shawn on Nov 30, 2019 22:41:50 GMT -8
They wanted to keep Cornette, they just wanted him to apologize immediately and he refused and quit. He wasn't willing to work with the NWA and that's not being a team player. Why keep someone like that around?
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Post by khrisdogg on Dec 1, 2019 10:18:38 GMT -8
It's funny people keep apologizing for Cornette. In 2020 Cornette being Cornette doesn't fly. He's been removed by the WWE, WCW, MLW, Impact, OVW, ROH and now the NWA. If he feels he can do things better than everyone else why doesn't he start his own thing.
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Post by MKCS on Dec 1, 2019 12:35:17 GMT -8
It's funny people keep apologizing for Cornette. In 2020 Cornette being Cornette doesn't fly. He's been removed by the WWE, WCW, MLW, Impact, OVW, ROH and now the NWA. If he feels he can do things better than everyone else why doesn't he start his own thing. He already did and it was pretty successful although I'm sure everyone here knows about SMW. Cornette has said countless times on the podcast that he isn't interested in being in the wrestling business full time anymore. Rumour has it that he makes 6 figures a year from being in the "Jim Cornette business" and that consists of just doing his podcasts and going to the post office a couple times a week. Why take on the day to day running of a relatively large wrestling company?
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Post by beau on Dec 1, 2019 19:11:47 GMT -8
It's funny people keep apologizing for Cornette. In 2020 Cornette being Cornette doesn't fly. He's been removed by the WWE, WCW, MLW, Impact, OVW, ROH and now the NWA. If he feels he can do things better than everyone else why doesn't he start his own thing. Maybe not. But 1.) Billy Corgan chose Cornette knowing who and what he is and 2.) Dave Lagana produced and edited the Powerr show and unleashed it on the internet Dave Lagana was the one 100% at fault for this content (if you were offended by it) and he ran from his product and threw someone else under the bus. This wasn't a live event or commentary that had 7 second delay where it was a talent issue. All the footage from those tapings took place 7 weeks prior and has been heavily edited, cut up, and enhanced. Lagana not Cornette made a mistake if one was made. Does Corgan watch the final product in advance ?
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