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Post by gmellos on Mar 30, 2016 9:28:07 GMT -8
DW isn't a small guy at all. He's in great shape. Tell that to the "expert"! The ONLY wrestler I ever felt that was "too small" to be World's Heavyweight Champion was Rey Mestero Jr. Rey is 5'5" and 170lbs, while pro wrestling is fixed there has to be some sort of realism to it and Rey is just too small to be the Heavyweight title. Wrestlers like Dynamite Kid (Was a Lt Hvy World CHamp), Bryan Danielson, HBK, Chris Jerricho maybe "undersized" but there are/were tall enough, and/or jack up enough to make it plausible that they could be World Heavyweight Champs.
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Post by MKCS on Mar 30, 2016 13:03:08 GMT -8
No, it's not. A personal attack would be saying "I don't understand how Joe Blow's mother could love him because he's ugly and has a shit physique" A professional attack would be saying "I don't understand why you guys like DW so much. I agree, he's a good in-ring performer but doesn't offer much on the stick or in the physique department" Lets be real though, most of you on here who are DW fans were only so huge on him because he posted here. I don't see anyone talking about DW regularly anymore in the "Guys should come back" or "Guys who should be champion" threads. Dude I am tired of spinning my wheels with you. You're basically an ass who trashes people "professionally" who then has the balls to bitch about those people's retaliation towards you. Example "Damian Wayne is too thin and sucks on the mic to be NWA World" "Why is DW trashing me waaaaaaaaaa" Ummm didn't it occur to you that Damian was going to win the World Title but got shafted out of it, later you said he doesn't deserve to be World Champ. That would not get under your skin when some guy spent MONTHS trashing the guy who beat you for that title (who also happens to be a friend of yours). Then he trashes you? ? If that was me I would want to fly over to your town, knock on your door and punch you in the mouth! Maybe that is my Greek temper but still, words can piss people off. I love how you just create things, lol. First, the only person that ever retaliated to my comments were DW so no, I'm not "basically an ass who trashes people" it's just one thing that happened one time and if someone can't handle criticism they probably should retreat to a nice government job compared to a job where their work is in the public eye. Do you see Leo Di Caprio having a cry if someone says his acting performance is shit? Also, anyone angry enough to fly across the world to a foreign country and to find a guy who said somewhat mean things on the internet is a loser and needs to find better things to do with their time. DW isn't a small guy at all. He's in great shape. Tell that to the "expert"! Never said I was an expert. Just a fan with an opinion. Unfortunately the following isn't great shape: Looks like an average guy that does some cardio.
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Post by gmellos on Mar 30, 2016 13:44:30 GMT -8
Tell that to the "expert"! Never said I was an expert. Just a fan with an opinion. Unfortunately the following isn't great shape: Looks like an average guy that does some cardio. You do know that people like John Cena, HHH, and Scott Steiner most likely do or did some form of PEDs to get that big. ' Also this picture is from an angle why not post a recent one of Damian standing up.
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Post by MKCS on Mar 30, 2016 14:15:48 GMT -8
Sure, all three are steroid users. I'm not suggesting someone use steroids to get bigger I'm just saying DW isn't big enough. The dude could walk through an airport and people wouldn't think he was a professional athlete. Meanwhile if a guy such as Roman Reigns, Triple H, EC3, Drew Galloway or even a guy like Jay Lethal did most would assume they're athletes. Picture of DW standing up isn't that impressive:
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Post by NWA Fanatic on Mar 30, 2016 18:46:08 GMT -8
Yet PJ favored Rob Conway as NWA Worlds Champion? Come on dude, listen to yourself speak lol... How can you seriously say that Damien Wayne is not in shape or a Worlds Champion calibur wrestler?
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Post by gmellos on Mar 30, 2016 20:19:55 GMT -8
Sure, all three are steroid users. I'm not suggesting someone use steroids to get bigger I'm just saying DW isn't big enough. The dude could walk through an airport and people wouldn't think he was a professional athlete. Meanwhile if a guy such as Roman Reigns, Triple H, EC3, Drew Galloway or even a guy like Jay Lethal did most would assume they're athletes. Picture of DW standing up isn't that impressive: You must be pulling my legs now! Seriously!!! Drew Gallows looks smaller than Damian and Jay Lethal is both short and skinny. Also the lower picture show that Damian's upper body doesn't look small.
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Post by gmellos on Mar 30, 2016 20:22:24 GMT -8
Yet PJ favored Rob Conway as NWA Worlds Champion? Come on dude, listen to yourself speak lol... How can you seriously say that Damien Wayne is not in shape or a Worlds Champion calibur wrestler? PJ didn't say shit about Damian until DW started defending Kahagas. Now Damian is "too skinny" This guy has the WWE body on the brain. He must be Vince McMahon trolling the forum.
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Post by Fred Richards on Mar 31, 2016 1:53:24 GMT -8
Interesting exchange of opinions in this thread. Allow me to add mine.
Over the history of this brand, especially pre-WWWF, there were numerous main eventers who were far from "big." Many had physiques no different than the average man-on-the-street. Many had pot bellies. Still, many others were short in height.
Those extremely large-in-girth, like Haystacks Calhoun, had unique gimmicks. Add to that mix Andre the Giant. These guys did not fit the stereotypical "athlete" profile in any way, shape or form.
This is professional wrestling - - not the a Greco-Roman festival of grappling.. Here, when promoted properly, a muscular physique is a gimmick, not a necessity. Look at this brand's lineage, it is a hit parade of men and women who get over via role playing.
Why? Because this brand (and others) are not the Olympics - - they are the theater. The longest running soap opera in the history of humankind.
Re Damien Wayne. I have known this gentleman and most capable worker for many years. I have been in the ring with him often. I have worked with him in quite a few different American towns in arenas that drew minimal and sell-out crowds. I have seen him work the prelims. I have seen him work main events. I have seen him in singles and tags.
No promoter should ever hesitate to book Mr. Wayne. Not even a second of hesitation. He can light-up the crowd like few others. He can hit all the moves. He can get in there and be a dockside, blood-and-guts brawler. He can put himself over as the working man's hero with the finesse of Steve Austin. His suitcase brings with it amazing diversity.
Most of all to the promoter (the gal/guy putting the $$$ at risk), Damien Wayne follows instructions. The man understands that any Promoter's enterprise is not a one-night stand. Mr. Wayne "gets it." He appreciates the need and goes out of his way to build repeat business for the company. His abilities on the stick rival all others. I have seen more than my fair share of musclebound lummoxes that don't have a clue. Hell's bells, some need written instructions on how to flush a toilet.
This brand knew its' best days when promoters and bookers focused on what legends like Jack Pfefer and a few others did when they went beyond grunt-and-groan wrestling and made it a spectacular where the competition was far, far more than an exchange of full nelsons and headlocks. Matches that could put a crowd to sleep were succeeded by characters in flowing robes with valets, ballet dancers thin as a rail who could do a dance move that ended with their foot kicking their opponent in the face, etc.
As the saying goes - - Bigger is not always better. So long as a worker knows how to use what they have and remembers that this is Professional Wrestling then they are ring-worthy.
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Post by fairfax on Mar 31, 2016 3:26:08 GMT -8
I actually heard the Kahagas/Santee thing was a worked shoot(ed) work. And I remember when DW called you gay and it being ironic that you had a GF but I thought the irony was in your GF having a dick, hence "pole jump". My bad. And rightfully so, that God damned Damian Wayne cant take criticism!!! Hell can you imagine his reaction when he finds out that DKM is taking over the book at the site!?!?! Hopefully the skinny bastard eats a sammich! And finally ya chubby chasing POLESMOKE I acquiesce it must be hard knowing everything and more importantly never being wrong. Oh and Kahagus' gimmick is better than yours
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Post by Damien Wayne on Mar 31, 2016 3:29:38 GMT -8
I didn't know 6' 2" 225lbs was "too small"
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Post by Damien Wayne on Mar 31, 2016 3:44:47 GMT -8
"Looks like a everyday guy off the strret" that's funny, seems like no matter where I go atleast twice a day i get told that "I look like one of those wrestling dudes" "you look like one of those fighters" etc. All good PJ no hard feelings, hell you were just about right about "that guy". Thank you to all for your kind words. I know I may not be everyone's cup of tea.
... and PJ I didn't attack you no more than you attacked me up here.
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Post by dkm on Mar 31, 2016 6:37:29 GMT -8
Bryan Danielson isn't a great comparison. First of all he's in better shape than most normal people (And your average wrestlers) and is only small by WWE standards. He's also one the greatest technical wrestlers to ever grace the world of wrestling and despite all of that it took him years of touring the world to even become a draw. Danielson was 180 when he was the top indie guy in the US, He isn't much bigger than Kevin Douglas. Not sure he was much more than that in his WWE time, Seth Rollins is only around 205. But if you don't like him then there is CM Punk, who was also around 180 or less and both guys are smaller than Kahagas who is around just over 200. I've seen Kahagas and DW in person and they are in excellent shape.
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Post by NWA Fanatic on Mar 31, 2016 6:38:39 GMT -8
"Looks like a everyday guy off the strret" that's funny, seems like no matter where I go atleast twice a day i get told that "I look like one of those wrestling dudes" "you look like one of those fighters" etc. All good PJ no hard feelings, hell you were just about right about "that guy". Thank you to all for your kind words. I know I may not be everyone's cup of tea. ... and PJ I didn't attack you no more than you attacked me up here. DW, one thing that we have learned over the time is that PJ is a one way street type of guy. Never does anything wrong and thinks his opinions matters to everyone. Obviously if 6'2 is "small" and not "WWE size" what he hell was Rob Conway doing with the NWA Worlds Championship, not knocking him at all but just using an observation.
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Post by gmellos on Mar 31, 2016 7:36:28 GMT -8
I didn't know 6' 2" 225lbs was "too small" No shit. According to PJ you have to be 6'3" and 226lbs to be considered average.
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Post by dkm on Mar 31, 2016 7:47:26 GMT -8
Well one thing that is happening now is weights are not as gimmick as they use to be. For example Tully Blanchard and Jimmy Garvin were neither as tall nor as Heavy as billed (Both being in 190 range)
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