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Post by damienwayne on May 31, 2016 5:29:59 GMT -8
Time to shake things up I see...
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Post by dkm on May 31, 2016 6:47:05 GMT -8
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Post by dkm on May 31, 2016 6:48:07 GMT -8
Some has been, but that is really just an excuse for you. I posted about three cards, nobody said anything. Vendetta posts about their shows, almost no comments. We had someone posting on the main page upcoming shows for different promotions. Quiet. NWA Blue Collar Wrestling post about Kevin Sullivan and your the only person to respond. So information is out there to talk about. Yeah, that's my point. No "Bruce Tharpe can't be talked about in a negative way" rule to interfere with there, still nobody has anything to say. What that tells me is, sadly, people here don't want to talk about wrestling. What promotions and shows do you like? Shawn, gmellos, and I talk about UFC. I used to comment on NWA Vendetta's stuff and get conversation going until the guy who posts the shows (Who I assume is the promoter) decided to play the old "If you're not in the business you can't give an opinion" card. Now his shows get zero response, completely his fault.
Well you tend to post as if you are an expert.
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Post by dkm on May 31, 2016 6:50:29 GMT -8
It didn't take a genius to figure out I was a cause of their angst...and out of respect for our friendship(s)....it wasn't directly addressed....but said in a way that I picked up on clearly. TB
I wouldn't say that. Chris, you are a good friend.
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Post by dkm on May 31, 2016 7:08:40 GMT -8
1. Corino coming back would have been big 5 years ago, but as much as I appreciate Corino's past work, I don't think there are tons of fans awaiting his return these days. 2. Chase is a fabulous worker, and deserves all the accolades, and I think is genuinely identified as a NWA worker. I agree with your point here. 3. Anthony & James lit it up at Parade of Champions, but neither are what I consider to put in the same class as Owens. 4. I haven't seen the recent licensing agreement, but are licensees still required to hold 5 NWA Championship matches anymore? If so, this point isn't relevant. 5. Amber may be 15-0 in title defenses, but the other 4-5 guys posting here think she shouldn't be holding the womens title.
1. I agree 5 years ago would of been better, but ROH has been building an angle around his return since he went out.
2. Yep
3. I agree, but both should be watched and given a chance. I will say this, I'm not thrilled with Anthony's gladiator gimmick.
4. Last I hear 4 with one being a world heavyweight title but I have never heard of it being enforced.
5. My interpretation of that is they don't feel she is doing anything for the title. That Santana Garrett got more attention and she did. Garrett also only defended in one (maybe two) NWA promotions, Amber has defended in more. Who can it realistically be put on that is better?
As for the rest, I tend to believe the NWA has been in the same state since the then WWF angle.
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Post by dkm on May 31, 2016 7:12:42 GMT -8
Time to shake things up I see...
Knock things to the ground, Champ.
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Post by Jay Cal on May 31, 2016 7:21:38 GMT -8
the rumors of my death are greatly exaggerated...
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Post by gmellos on May 31, 2016 7:27:47 GMT -8
Well, since I got brought into this... I didn't say you can't give an opinion. You were asking why the World Heavyweight title match at Casino Royale didn't go on last, and it seems like you didn't like the answer you got. You then assumed it's because there was not enough hype around that match, when in fact, that had nothing to do with it. Sometimes things happen which forces you to switch things around from the order you'd like to have things in into an order that works best for everyone's schedules. If you've actually had done this a time or two, you'd know that. It doesn't mean you can't have an opinion. You're entitled to your own opinions, and have the forum here to express them. You are not entitled to your own facts. Also, I agree with Marquez on peppermints. Don't mind MKCS, he is the resident Mr Butthurt. He get's butthurt about EVERYTHING that is the opposite of his opinion. He will wrote a novel size response on why he is right and you are wrong.
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Post by gmellos on May 31, 2016 7:30:00 GMT -8
the rumors of my death are greatly exaggerated... What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger!
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Post by MKCS on Jun 1, 2016 15:42:13 GMT -8
I used to comment on NWA Vendetta's stuff and get conversation going until the guy who posts the shows (Who I assume is the promoter) decided to play the old "If you're not in the business you can't give an opinion" card. Now his shows get zero response, completely his fault.
Well you tend to post as if you are an expert.
Except for all the times where I've said "That's just my opinion" and "I'm not an expert", right? I'll admit to being blunt and passionate in my beliefs and opinions but I've never implied I'm an expert I just have views on things. Promoters shouldn't be so quick to play the "YOU CANT SAY SHIT! YOU'VE NEVER DONE IT BEFORE!" card. 1. Corino coming back would have been big 5 years ago, but as much as I appreciate Corino's past work, I don't think there are tons of fans awaiting his return these days. 2. Chase is a fabulous worker, and deserves all the accolades, and I think is genuinely identified as a NWA worker. I agree with your point here. 3. Anthony & James lit it up at Parade of Champions, but neither are what I consider to put in the same class as Owens. 4. I haven't seen the recent licensing agreement, but are licensees still required to hold 5 NWA Championship matches anymore? If so, this point isn't relevant. 5. Amber may be 15-0 in title defenses, but the other 4-5 guys posting here think she shouldn't be holding the womens title.
1. I agree 5 years ago would of been better, but ROH has been building an angle around his return since he went out.
2. Yep
3. I agree, but both should be watched and given a chance. I will say this, I'm not thrilled with Anthony's gladiator gimmick.
4. Last I hear 4 with one being a world heavyweight title but I have never heard of it being enforced.
5. My interpretation of that is they don't feel she is doing anything for the title. That Santana Garrett got more attention and she did. Garrett also only defended in one (maybe two) NWA promotions, Amber has defended in more. Who can it realistically be put on that is better?
As for the rest, I tend to believe the NWA has been in the same state since the then WWF angle.
1. Corino is a great talent although he's past his prime and it's a one off. To my knowledge it doesn't have a story behind it, I could do the same thing and simply rent a building, fly Corino and Dane over and run the match. It's not a huge deal although if Corino won the belt that would be a move in the right direction. 2. Chase is a stand out in the NWA and probably the ONLY guy that the smart marks view as a respectable NWA guy (Not saying the others aren't but they know about Chase more). Great talent. 3. I don't care about Gregory James or Steve Anthony. They are regional independent guys and will never move forward. Chase Owens should be the NWA World Junior Heavyweight Champion right now and nobody can dispute that. He's in his mid twenties, he's apart of one of the hottest angles in the world (Bullet Club), he's wrestling in the biggest junior heavyweight tournament in the world (BOSJ) and at home in America he wrestles for the biggest NWA company and in the past 12 months or so in that company he has performed with/against AJ Styles (Say no more), Jimmy Rave (Who might be out of the limelight now but is incredibly talented), Kid Kash (In Kash's retirement match) and X-Pac (Who is probably one of the better American junior heavyweights that made it big time) If Owens was treated as he should be they could have all been NWA World Junior Heavyweight TItle matches and he could be wearing the belt in Japan right now during the top juniors tournament in the world, instead we have Steve Anthony defending the belt against Mr. 450 in Tennessee. Bruce Tharpe, ladies and gentlemen 4. And so it shouldn't, why should a company outside of Texas or Tennessee book Jax Dane? You pay for a flight, a hotel and a match fee to get a guy who has no way of making that money back. 5. Amber Gallows may be 15-0 in title matches but she's only defended in two NWA promotions according to CageMatchDB (One being the Parade). Also, look at her level of opponent, most recent title match against Andrea The Amazon... Other successful defenses include Amy Love (Who?), Bambi (Who?), Barbi Hayden (Who I like), Jessica James (Former SHIMMER, which is great), Leva Bates (Blue Pants of SHIMMER and WWE fame, yay), Kiera Hogan (Who?) and Nikki Knight (Who?) Meanwhile Santana Garrett just came off an international tour where she wrestled in England, France, Japan and Spain. She's also a regular for a promotion in Chile and has of course competed in the United States as well. Santana is definitely a realistic option for the NWA but Bruce Tharpe wants to be buddies with Luke Gallows so we have a middle aged Amber Gallows holding the belt.
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Post by damienwayne on Jun 1, 2016 15:59:35 GMT -8
Ummmmm the Steve Anthony matches in Tennessee had nothing to do with the NWA
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Post by MKCS on Jun 1, 2016 16:20:00 GMT -8
One of them was an NWA World Junior Heavyweight Title match according to my source website. You were on the shows, if the website is incorrect you let me know, I'll take your word for it. www.cagematch.net/?id=1&nr=153267Second match on the card, meanwhile Chase Owens is over in Japan, winning matches and semi main eventing with the hottest gaijin act that NJPW may have ever had.
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Post by damienwayne on Jun 1, 2016 16:52:53 GMT -8
Yes I was on the shows and Anthony was on all of them also, worked Houston Carson once, Mr. 450, then a 3 way between the 3 can't remember the other match. I work Anthony not long ago in AML wasn't for the NWA jr title either. Anthony is better than you think he is but again that's your opinion in which you are entitled to. Yes Owens is doing big things but no more than some of the other guys out there. Anthony has been to Japan twice also sooo... not trying to create an argument or anything just giving some info.
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Post by damienwayne on Jun 1, 2016 16:53:54 GMT -8
... and if you don't think Mr. 450 is talented then your sadly mistaken, but again that is your opinion.
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Post by MKCS on Jun 1, 2016 18:04:28 GMT -8
Yes I was on the shows and Anthony was on all of them also, worked Houston Carson once, Mr. 450, then a 3 way between the 3 can't remember the other match. I work Anthony not long ago in AML wasn't for the NWA jr title either. Anthony is better than you think he is but again that's your opinion in which you are entitled to. Yes Owens is doing big things but no more than some of the other guys out there. Anthony has been to Japan twice also sooo... not trying to create an argument or anything just giving some info. Fair enough, I was wrong about him defending the title on the show. Anthony isn't bad, I don't think he's bad but the fact is he's late 30's, has never really moved past the regional indies (Unless you count his one NOAH tour or his involvement in NJPW Vs NWA) He'd be a great choice as a regional champion but fact of the matter is the NWA has Chase and Chase is a lot younger, popular and better.
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