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Post by NWA Fanatic on Jun 8, 2016 19:17:20 GMT -8
Trying to get another price on his library, probably will take the deal they offer this time. Last time price was out of WWE's range.
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Post by MKCS on Jun 8, 2016 20:00:44 GMT -8
How many years have you been in the business for, DKM? Fan since 81 "Insider" since 94 Done work for promoters since 2007.
What about you?
No, I mean how long have you been in the business for where you've made money. You're spouting how you understand the business so surely the high point of your wrestling life isn't "doing work" for independent wrestling promoters. If that's where the bar is set then I'm also in the business because I've done ring crew. Most promotions will let you "do work" for them as long as you keep your mouth shut and don't ask for money. Helping out at the merch table or on ring crew doesn't mean you understand the business any better than anyone else.
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Post by magnus351 on Jun 9, 2016 4:13:04 GMT -8
I hope wwe don't buy the library personally if the wwe does buy it the boesch family will make more money from that transaction compared to what they're probably getting from nwa on demand. remember he doesn't own the library, he simply represents the family. there's a chance they probably could've told him to sell.
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Post by magnus351 on Jun 9, 2016 4:18:22 GMT -8
Trying to get another price on his library, probably will take the deal they offer this time. Last time price was out of WWE's range. the price wasn't out of their range. from the stories posted, tharpe's price was higher than it's actually worth. while the houston library is chock full of great matches and valuable from a historical context to older wrestling fans, it's not something younger fans are itching to see. i guess what i'm trying to say is that it's not a library that should serve as the basis for a network.
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Post by NWA Fanatic on Jun 9, 2016 7:10:20 GMT -8
Trying to get another price on his library, probably will take the deal they offer this time. Last time price was out of WWE's range. the price wasn't out of their range. from the stories posted, tharpe's price was higher than it's actually worth. while the houston library is chock full of great matches and valuable from a historical context to older wrestling fans, it's not something younger fans are itching to see. i guess what i'm trying to say is that it's not a library that should serve as the basis for a network. Thing is the classics is not what is keeping WWE Network afloat, it's the pay-per-views, NXT, and current new shows. But believe what you want though.
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Post by tyalan11 on Jun 9, 2016 7:28:12 GMT -8
How much does he want for the footage?
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Post by gmellos on Jun 9, 2016 9:04:42 GMT -8
the price wasn't out of their range. from the stories posted, tharpe's price was higher than it's actually worth. while the houston library is chock full of great matches and valuable from a historical context to older wrestling fans, it's not something younger fans are itching to see. i guess what i'm trying to say is that it's not a library that should serve as the basis for a network. Thing is the classics is not what is keeping WWE Network afloat, it's the pay-per-views, NXT, and current new shows. But believe what you want though. Ding ding ding we have a winner. The PPVs would be the only reason why I would buy a subscription.
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Post by dkm on Jun 9, 2016 9:08:46 GMT -8
Fan since 81 "Insider" since 94 Done work for promoters since 2007.
What about you?
No, I mean how long have you been in the business for where you've made money. You're spouting how you understand the business so surely the high point of your wrestling life isn't "doing work" for independent wrestling promoters. If that's where the bar is set then I'm also in the business because I've done ring crew. Most promotions will let you "do work" for them as long as you keep your mouth shut and don't ask for money. Helping out at the merch table or on ring crew doesn't mean you understand the business any better than anyone else. 2007. Since 94 I have done some of the "helping" but since 2007 I have provide services in exchange for cash or from time to time favors, but I much prefer cash. Really all that is meaningless. Most of my understanding come from friendships and people who have explained the workings to me.
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Post by dkm on Jun 9, 2016 9:25:18 GMT -8
Well who is a joke and who isn't a joke in wrestling in general?
Who came up with the definitions?
How well do you know any of the promotions?
Wrestling is subject to a matter of opinion, someone's great can be seen as someone else's awful I am giving my opinion the NWA is a joke when compared to what is was 5 years ago, 10 years ago, 20 years ago and certainly 25 years ago! It is sad that the only headline the NWA gets is that it's owner visited the WWE Performance Center. While I will admit that I do not know about all of those promotion I certainly know that NONE of then are remotely close to Smoky Mt.
While I understand "my opinion", it is often used to excuse bias and the like. Contrary to popular belief, opinions can be wrong, you be of the opinion the earth is in the center of the galaxy but it isn't or lack general credibility. I can think Tommy Rich was the greatest NWA champion, but there isn't much, if anything, to back that up. Like Bruce or hate Bruce, it doesn't matter to me, but I find it hard to argue that the NWA is any more of a joke today than it was 5, 10, or 20 years ago. 1990 was the last time the NWA mattered.
So what makes Smoky Mountain, in your opinion so good that no one else is "remotely close"?
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Post by dkm on Jun 9, 2016 9:27:43 GMT -8
As for all the speculation, I know this much. If you are meeting with Triple H it's because Triple H wants to meet with you.
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Post by shawn on Jun 9, 2016 11:01:05 GMT -8
I wish WWE was like the UFC and put other promotions on the streaming platform. Imagine how great it would be for the business even WWE, if ROH,Evolve,NWA Smoky Mountain,Lucha Underground was on the WWE network. I am surprise Booker T hasn't went to Vince to help get his indy promotion on WWE network.
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Post by gmellos on Jun 9, 2016 11:55:31 GMT -8
So what makes Smoky Mountain, in your opinion so good that no one else is "remotely close"?
Ok let me see, TV show and large house shows (500-2000) ticket sells just to name a few. I bet 90% of the others have an average 20-150 people show up to see some 5'4" 120lbs local heavyweight champ
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Post by magnus351 on Jun 9, 2016 12:16:32 GMT -8
the price wasn't out of their range. from the stories posted, tharpe's price was higher than it's actually worth. while the houston library is chock full of great matches and valuable from a historical context to older wrestling fans, it's not something younger fans are itching to see. i guess what i'm trying to say is that it's not a library that should serve as the basis for a network. Thing is the classics is not what is keeping WWE Network afloat, it's the pay-per-views, NXT, and current new shows. But believe what you want though. I never said it was. Let me repeat what I said. There are a lot of great matches in the Houston library, that are valuable to OLDER fans. It's NOT something younger fans are itching to see. the houston library SHOULD NOT serve as the basis for a network. I agree that the classic shows on the wwe network are for niche audience and are not the price of admission, which is why the old classics on demand service they had on cable floundered.
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Post by MKCS on Jun 9, 2016 12:16:46 GMT -8
the price wasn't out of their range. from the stories posted, tharpe's price was higher than it's actually worth. while the houston library is chock full of great matches and valuable from a historical context to older wrestling fans, it's not something younger fans are itching to see. i guess what i'm trying to say is that it's not a library that should serve as the basis for a network. Thing is the classics is not what is keeping WWE Network afloat, it's the pay-per-views, NXT, and current new shows. But believe what you want though. Don't know if you'd count this as "Classic" and I can only speak for myself but I signed up to WWE Network about a month and a half ago and I did so because they're bringing every Nitro to the network (Up to 1999 I believe) and they have every RAW and Smackdown up until 2002-2003 I believe. I've watched some classic NWA-ECW from 1993 (Good stuff there), WCW from 1996 (Again, good stuff) and I've currently settled into watching every RAW and Smackdown after WrestleMania 2001 where I'm currently at June 2001. The only modern content I've watched on there is their special documentaries such as Monday Night Wars. I've never watched a modern episode of RAW, Smackdown or NXT on the Network because I have zero interest in modern WWE. No, I mean how long have you been in the business for where you've made money. You're spouting how you understand the business so surely the high point of your wrestling life isn't "doing work" for independent wrestling promoters. If that's where the bar is set then I'm also in the business because I've done ring crew. Most promotions will let you "do work" for them as long as you keep your mouth shut and don't ask for money. Helping out at the merch table or on ring crew doesn't mean you understand the business any better than anyone else. 2007. Since 94 I have done some of the "helping" but since 2007 I have provide services in exchange for cash or from time to time favors, but I much prefer cash. Really all that is meaningless. Most of my understanding come from friendships and people who have explained the workings to me. Fair enough but you've also been called out many times by people who really are in the know about certain situations. I believe David Marquez called you out a few weeks ago for your "inside info" telling you that you were wrong. I think Tony Brooklyn has done the same as well when he was posting here. It just comes off as super arrogant to play the "Some people just don't understand the business" card when you yourself don't really have a proven track record in the wrestling industry past a vague "I do work for independent promoters" and "I have friendships". Most people on this board could work for their local independent promotions. Maybe someone on here can create websites, maybe another guy can operate staging equipment, maybe someones an accountant and is willing to do a tax return for free just to help out. Me? I'm a week or two from acquiring my diploma in broadcasting and I'm sure one of the eight indies in my state would give me a gig as an announcer if I approached them and offered to work cheap/free. Doing some minor work for indy promoters doesn't make you special or above anyone, DKM. Wrestling is subject to a matter of opinion, someone's great can be seen as someone else's awful I am giving my opinion the NWA is a joke when compared to what is was 5 years ago, 10 years ago, 20 years ago and certainly 25 years ago! It is sad that the only headline the NWA gets is that it's owner visited the WWE Performance Center. While I will admit that I do not know about all of those promotion I certainly know that NONE of then are remotely close to Smoky Mt.
While I understand "my opinion", it is often used to excuse bias and the like. Contrary to popular belief, opinions can be wrong, you be of the opinion the earth is in the center of the galaxy but it isn't or lack general credibility. I can think Tommy Rich was the greatest NWA champion, but there isn't much, if anything, to back that up. Like Bruce or hate Bruce, it doesn't matter to me, but I find it hard to argue that the NWA is any more of a joke today than it was 5, 10, or 20 years ago. 1990 was the last time the NWA mattered.
Well, things about space can be proven by science so they're not really solid opinions. Using your Tommy Rich example it's probably not an opinion that a lot of people would agree with but if someone felt that way they'd definitely have that right. I'm sure Tommy Rich has a large fan base in Georgia and some of his super fans probably do feel he is the best NWA World Champion. Without any factual evidence pointing to someone as the "greatest" everything is open to opinion. You do care if people hate Bruce Tharpe. You created a rule on this board saying we couldn't speak badly about him and you only created that rule because you have some kind of friendship with him. Threads were locked because we were being negative about him, posts have been deleted and in general you'll protect him so lets not pretend that it doesn't matter to you if we like or hate the guy. Finally, if you look at the previous ownership of the NWA you'd see a massive change. Major NWA promotions under Trobich: NWA Anarchy (Good enough to be a former development territory for WCW), NWA Charlotte (Which should have been WAY bigger), NWA Florida, NWA Hollywood (Achieved national television after the split), NWA Legends Fanfest (biggest wrestling convention in the world), NWA Ring Warriors (Ran shows internationally), NWA Smoky Mountain (Say no more), Zero-1 (A strong Japanese promotion) You also had a ton of really solid promotions who weren't as big such as NWA Warzone, NWA DAWG, NWA Coastal, EPW, Mountain State etc etc. Major NWA promotions currently under Bruce Tharpe: NWA-SAW (A strong promotion although not mentioned a lot around here anymore), NWA Smoky Mountain (A promotion that probably is above the NWA) A few solid promotions that aren't as big such as All Action Wrestling Australia, NWA-NRW and IHWE. Within 12 months of taking over Bruce lost NWA Anarchy, NWA Hollywood (Who achieved national TV right after), NWA Legends Fanfest (Still one of the biggest wrestling conventions in the world just under another name now) and NWA Ring Warriors. Of course he lost Coastal, DAWG, Warzone and a ton of others as well. He replaced them with "just take their money" promotions with one running it's debut show from the parking lot of a bar. You have NWA-AWA in Australia as well which literally was a few pros who trained backyarders to wrestle. So no, it's not hard to argue that the NWA is a bigger joke in 2016 than it was in 2012. In 2012 it had something going for it, in 2016 it has zero momentum.
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Post by magnus351 on Jun 9, 2016 12:22:17 GMT -8
As for all the speculation, I know this much. If you are meeting with Triple H it's because Triple H wants to meet with you. And as pwinsider reported the meeting was to buy the houston library for the network. At least that was what sources said. I doubt there's anymore to it. Seriously the NWA has nothing to offer the WWE. If there were wrestlers who wrestle NWA shows there's nothing holding them back from being signed. No contracts means they can go anywhere they want. And before you say "Don't believe everything you read, there's much more to this story," then please share. Because I highly doubt you know more than the rest of the fine folks on this board. That's just my opinion.
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